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 Posted: Sat Oct 12th, 2019 03:24 am
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I am new to the forum and I have a question about a fan that I am rewiring the stator. I hope I am in the right area of the forum for this question and if not I apologize.
The fan is a Robbins & Myers List No. 1404 oscillating fan.  The motor has two leads going to the 4 pole motor coils. I want to make sure that I orient the new coils clockwise and counter clockwise in the motor stator housing since this will be a one-shot-at-it ordeal. I will not be able to removes the coils without damage if the polarity is wrong. Is anyone familiar with how the for coils should be orientated (pictures, diagrams or?), it would be greatly appreciated. The fan was working be would get very hot after running a short while and then slow down to just humming. I had an ohm reading across the two leads of about 40 ohms before taking the motor apart. The enamel on the wires was burned and would flake off easily. It is a two speed fan controlled by a choke coil at the base. There is no tap in the fan motor windings. Just two leads from the headwire motor to switch. Thanks, Steve 

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Steven, I can't help you on your fans' problems but thought I would mention a few things;  List 1404 is a non-oscillating fan and has three speeds- sleep, run, jog, and walk, also known as OFF 1 2 and 3
http://earlyfans.blogspot.com/2011/10/robbins-myers-list-1404-desk-fans-1911.html

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 Posted: Sun Oct 13th, 2019 08:18 pm
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Hi Steve. All I know is that I have A R&M 1404 as described; two speed/oscillator as described ...... perhaps I have the only one! I will try to upload some images for you to see. Thanks for your reply.

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Steven Logan wrote: Hi Steve. All I know is that I have A R&M 1404 as described; two speed/oscillator as described ...... perhaps I have the only one! I will try to upload some images for you to see. Thanks for your reply.Pics would be nice.  The 1404 will SWIVEL but it does not OSCILLATE.

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 Posted: Sun Oct 13th, 2019 08:30 pm
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R&M 1404 base housing showing two speed switch lever #1.jpg

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That fan stumps me totally.  Never seen one like it or a motor tag like it.    All of the List 1404s I have date to 1911 through 1917 and are 12" cast iron fans.  Sorry, I have no information on your fan.

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 Posted: Sun Oct 13th, 2019 10:32 pm
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Steven P Dempsey
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Yeah, looks much later - - 1920s

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 Posted: Sun Oct 13th, 2019 10:33 pm
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"serial Number = 1404"

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 Posted: Sun Oct 13th, 2019 10:34 pm
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"LIST NUMBER" = the fan in question

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This is a "LIST 1404" Stationary circa 1912



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 Posted: Mon Oct 14th, 2019 07:18 pm
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I thought 1404s where another R&M tank motor variant?

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Sean Campbell wrote: I thought 1404s where another R&M tank motor variant?That depends on what you consider to be a "tank motor".   I always heard the Westinghouse fans from 1905-11 called a 'tank' but some often call the GE BMY a tank and, also, the R&M 1404.  The 1404 is not related to either the GE or Westy cast iron tank type motors but is a new design made by R&M to replace the R&M rebadged Westinhouse tank motor made from 1908-1910.   The 1404 came out (what the 1411 16" fan) in 1911 using a cage that was used on the R&M lollipop for just the first year, 1911, then the 1404 and 14040 changed to the newer style cage with two round rings.  The 1404 did not have a centrifugal start switch and was three speeds unlike the 2 speed R&M rebadged Westy motor for 1908-1910.  For the R&M oscillating fans Westinghouse made the 1911 model with a start switch but, for 1912 and later (through 1917) R&M made their own motor for the gearback without a start switch but the motor was a near copy in looks to the old Westy tank motor.

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Steve Stephens wrote: Sean Campbell wrote: I thought 1404s where another R&M tank motor variant?That depends on what you consider to be a "tank motor".   I always heard the Westinghouse fans from 1905-11 called a 'tank' but some often call the GE BMY a tank and, also, the R&M 1404.  The 1404 is not related to either the GE or Westy cast iron tank type motors but is a new design made by R&M to replace the R&M rebadged Westinhouse tank motor made from 1908-1910.   The 1404 came out (what the 1411 16" fan) in 1911 using a cage that was used on the R&M lollipop for just the first year, 1911, then the 1404 and 14040 changed to the newer style cage with two round rings.  The 1404 did not have a centrifugal start switch and was three speeds unlike the 2 speed R&M rebadged Westy motor for 1908-1910.  For the R&M oscillating fans Westinghouse made the 1911 model with a start switch but, for 1912 and later (through 1917) R&M made their own motor for the gearback without a start switch but the motor was a near copy in looks to the old Westy tank motor.Thanks for the info Steve!

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Steven,
What you have there is an R&M Junior 12" fan.  This fan was manufactured in the 1930s.   R&M didn't usually duplicate List numbers but they in this case.

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