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 Posted: Sun Dec 8th, 2019 11:44 pm
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Lane Shirey
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Have been working with this guy on eBay to try to buy a fan with a buy it now. (against my better judgement of buying a fan off ebay). I certainly hope he’s not one of us.  

After we agreed on a price, I simply sent him a message trying to ensure he would package it properly.  I even explained to him how it should be packaged so it would hopefully survive in one piece.  


His reply was “ I pack things all the time” . Yeah, how many times have we heard that. I again asked him to describe how he plans to pack it to ensure it arrived undamaged.  And I mentioned that I would not accept a fan if it’s damaged due to insufficient packaging.  


He immediately fired back an angry message saying that I threatened him and that he was cancelling the sale.  Bunch of hooey in my opinion.  Tells me he never intended to pack it right in the first place.  Kinda like the broken fan I received a while ago packaged in a million coffee cup lids stuffed in the box.  My guess was that guy worked at a coffee place. 


Many sellers are happy to get some guidance on how to pack a fan, but there are others who just don’t care and take it as an insult. 


Just FYI to my fan family. No more ebay fans for me...

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 Posted: Sun Dec 8th, 2019 11:56 pm
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Fordsno1 should have gave you the first clue! 😀

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I'm sorry to hear about this Lane. Pity

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 Posted: Mon Dec 9th, 2019 12:02 am
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Wow, thanks for the warning. While I have never encountered it, I have heard of people getting offended when asked to package something properly.

It amazes me that some people are so arrogant (or shall we say ignorant) that they can’t take any advice on how to package something.

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 Posted: Mon Dec 9th, 2019 12:17 am
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Sad, but we live a world of " Don't tell me what to do!"

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I've almost got the complete opposite on my hands. I have a buyer on eBay wanting to buy a vintage Hobart coffee grinder from me.  One of those big industrial ones.  I have it listed as local pickup only.  They are begging me to simply wrap it in cardboard and send it off.  Uh... No! I couldn't live with myself doing shoddy packing and sending off a very heavy piece knowing it's fate at the hands of the carriers.  We are here trying to preserve pieces of history.  You can't get a replacement from Walmart. Once one of these antiques gets destroyed, it's done.

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 Posted: Mon Dec 9th, 2019 04:00 am
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Lane,That is one of the reasons I felt comfortable buying the GE cake from you. I don't mind buying little <$100 fans on eBay as project fans, but anything more than that and I don't bother. Even the little project fans always have bent cages/blades. I can fix those usually, and don't mind on junk fans, but wouldn't buy something nice and be OK with straightening stuff. 

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 Posted: Mon Dec 9th, 2019 11:29 am
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I quit buying fans on eBay 5 years ago. 4 destroyed fans in a row due to bad packing, no thanks! Will stick with buying from regional meets or Fan fair.

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lane i am really sorry to hear this i have never considered buying a fan on ebay and i don't think i ever will.... given all the horror stories i have seen, i am taking no chances

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 Posted: Mon Dec 9th, 2019 04:35 pm
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Stan Adams wrote: I quit buying fans on eBay 5 years ago. 4 destroyed fans in a row due to bad packing, no thanks! Will stick with buying from regional meets or Fan fair.
You guys have to start buying fans from me although I currently do not have any ready to sell but I will have.   In over 100 cast iron and brass fans, mostly 12 and 16" models sold both through ebay and directly from me, I have had no damage to any other than one reported 16" brass cage and it was probably fixable with a few minutes spent.   The reason my fans don't get damaged?   I care that my fans get to their new owners intact and I have the knowledge and materials to pack them correctly.

http://www.afcaforum.com/view_topic.php?id=9571&forum_id=1&jump_to=65992#p65992

I also had minimal damages to a few fans from ebay purchases over 15 years and over 50 fans because I always contact the seller to explain how to and not to pack.   Most have been responsive.  No cast iron broken in that time but a few blades and cages bent.   Never had to return a fan for a refund but did get a few partial refunds for the damage.   I never assume that anyone can or will pack a fan to arrive with no damage.

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 Posted: Mon Dec 9th, 2019 08:43 pm
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Now this guy has started to harass me on eBay messages because I posted this thread and sent me screen shots of my posts here. He’s throwing a hissy fit because I posted the truth.  I’ve begun to save his posts of the harassment and will take it up with eBay if it continues. 

I think he’s peeved that I tipped my fellow fan collectors onto his bad manner. Certainly not what I’d call a quality seller for sure. 


I’m sure I’ll receive another harassing message now that he’s following the forum.   


No need for harassment. 

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 Posted: Mon Dec 9th, 2019 08:45 pm
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Lane Shirey
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Steve Stephens wrote: Stan Adams wrote: I quit buying fans on eBay 5 years ago. 4 destroyed fans in a row due to bad packing, no thanks! Will stick with buying from regional meets or Fan fair.
You guys have to start buying fans from me although I currently do not have any ready to sell but I will have.   In over 100 cast iron and brass fans, mostly 12 and 16" models sold both through ebay and directly from me, I have had no damage to any other than one reported 16" brass cage and it was probably fixable with a few minutes spent.   The reason my fans don't get damaged?   I care that my fans get to their new owners intact and I have the knowledge and materials to pack them correctly.

http://www.afcaforum.com/view_topic.php?id=9571&forum_id=1&jump_to=65992#p65992

I also had minimal damages to a few fans from ebay purchases over 15 years and over 50 fans because I always contact the seller to explain how to and not to pack.   Most have been responsive.  No cast iron broken in that time but a few blades and cages bent.   Never had to return a fan for a refund but did get a few partial refunds for the damage.   I never assume that anyone can or will pack a fan to arrive with no damage.

Steve, first the seller must be receptive to packing advice from someone who knows. This guy was not. 

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 Posted: Mon Dec 9th, 2019 09:15 pm
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Lane, I would go straight to eBay with this. They almost always side with the buyer over the seller (trust me I know). Not to mention 3 negative strikes against a seller can get them blacklisted. Show eBay that he threatened you. I guarantee he won't do it again.

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Thanks Sean, I’ve already wasted enough time and energy on this guy. I have no plans to contact eBay and waste more time unless he persists. I hope he feels satisfied now that he’s sent me 2 impolite and unprofessional  messages and will just go away. I have replied to him with a second warning to stop harassing me. Any more replies or snide comments will result in pursuing it with eBay. 
I appreciate everyone’s support but my sole purpose of posting  to my friends is to hopefully prevent anyone else here from making the mistake I did in dealing with him. eBay is indeed a crap shoot

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Sean Campbell wrote: Lane, I would go straight to eBay with this. They almost always side with the buyer over the seller (trust me I know). Not to mention 3 negative strikes against a seller can get them blacklisted. Show eBay that he threatened you. I guarantee he won't do it again.Ebay will NOT do a thing. I had a seller harass me constantly and sent over a hundred messages to me over a bad purchase I made with him. I called them up and stated the problem. I notified them he was using my listings as a way to get around my block and message limit and they answered with.... Sorry but we cant do anything unless he uses foul language. Ebay is crap for not only sellers but for buyers as well but they are the only ones in town.

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Austin Ko wrote: Sean Campbell wrote: Lane, I would go straight to eBay with this. They almost always side with the buyer over the seller (trust me I know). Not to mention 3 negative strikes against a seller can get them blacklisted. Show eBay that he threatened you. I guarantee he won't do it again.Ebay will NOT do a thing. I had a seller harass me constantly and sent over a hundred messages to me over a bad purchase I made with him. I called them up and stated the problem. I notified them he was using my listings as a way to get around my block and message limit and they answered with.... Sorry but we cant do anything unless he uses foul language. Ebay is crap for not only sellers but for buyers as well but they are the only ones in town.
That’s odd. I actually got a seller blacklisted for a very similar situation. Maybe the person who took your call was about to clock out or didn’t want to be bothered idk. :wondering:

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Sean Campbell wrote: Austin Ko wrote: Sean Campbell wrote: Lane, I would go straight to eBay with this. They almost always side with the buyer over the seller (trust me I know). Not to mention 3 negative strikes against a seller can get them blacklisted. Show eBay that he threatened you. I guarantee he won't do it again.Ebay will NOT do a thing. I had a seller harass me constantly and sent over a hundred messages to me over a bad purchase I made with him. I called them up and stated the problem. I notified them he was using my listings as a way to get around my block and message limit and they answered with.... Sorry but we cant do anything unless he uses foul language. Ebay is crap for not only sellers but for buyers as well but they are the only ones in town.
That’s odd. I actually got a seller blacklisted for a very similar situation. Maybe the person who took your call was about to clock out or didn’t want to be bothered idk. :wondering:
Nope, I called numerous times. My case and yours are vastly different as your harasser was not using your 50 plus items listed as a way to communicate with you.

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Looked him up..........zero negatives, over 500 positives. Sounds like a bad day all around. I've been eBaying for a long time. Bought a few gems there.....zero problems. Once a lamp came broken, that was about it. I do agree that buying from a fan collector is less chancy.........but you just never know. Life is funny that way...... :wondering:

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I’m Don Fenton wrote: Looked him up..........zero negatives, over 500 positives. Sounds like a bad day all around. I've been eBaying for a long time. Bought a few gems there.....zero problems. Once a lamp came broken, that was about it. I do agree that buying from a fan collector is less chancy.........but you just never know. Life is funny that way...... :wondering:

Don

I’m not about to sink to his level, but if I posted his replies to me, his arrogance would be very clear and unbecoming of a vendor. One snide reply and I’d just think he was having a bad day. But it was more than that. And I’m not sure how you can comment about “a bad day all around” since you have no knowledge of the situation. You’re implying that I helped to crate this situation. But nope, I was simply trying to buy a fan and have it packed properly. Period. 

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All I know is, in taking a look at the sellers listings I came away with a strange desire to go buy a Snap-On wrench.


 


In all seriousness, for that fan I would simply ask seller to pack carefully as the plastic/bakelite is fragile. It'd take a lot to break it. If it arrived broke, eBay protection has you covered, so where's the risk? He gets a broken fan back and no money, what better revenge than that?


 


That said, this post hasn't made him ready for cheap offers, got shut down cold :D

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My take on Ebay is this: if you're selling something, I'm expecting to receive it in the condition in which is is presented. I don't specifically look to buy on Ebay, but sometimes something rare or interesting comes up, and if the price is right, I'll go for it. If it comes in poorly packed, well, that's your posterior. 

My thought is at least we are able and willing to repair fans. If John Q. Public buys an Emerson and the blade is bent when it comes in, chances are it's going into the trash can. 

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Michael Rathberger wrote:

All I know is, in taking a look at the sellers listings I came away with a strange desire to go buy a Snap-On wrench.

 

In all seriousness, for that fan I would simply ask seller to pack carefully as the plastic/bakelite is fragile. It'd take a lot to break it. If it arrived broke, eBay protection has you covered, so where's the risk? He gets a broken fan back and no money, what better revenge than that?

 

That said, this post hasn't made him ready for cheap offers, got shut down cold :D


I made him a very respectable offer. He’s just a tool. 

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