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 Posted: Tue Jan 7th, 2020 10:01 pm
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Ricky Jordan
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Was hoping to find an R&M collector/expert who could tell me a little about this fan. I purchased it (non-working) from eBay and have not actually received it yet. I was hoping it was a 12" (Seller had it boxed up already and couldn't measure it) but what little information I have found it sounds like it might be a 16". I would also be interested in the year this fan was made. Thanks for any information someone might know and could share with me.






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Just from looking at it, my guess would be mid 20s. R&Ms can be notoriously hard to date though.

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Sean Campbell wrote: my guess would be mid 20s.




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 Posted: Wed Jan 8th, 2020 03:34 am
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Can you show us the back of the motor when you get it?

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 Posted: Wed Jan 8th, 2020 10:24 am
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 The patent Russ posted is one of the best dating pieces for those fans. Prior to that clever improvement , there was a shoulder screw with 5 different holes drilled & tapped into the oscillating disc. U had to take said screw out and change the position of the screw to change the arc of oscillation (or lose the screw). The blade leafs were line riveted onto the hub in 12 & 16" fans of the earlier style instead of the triangle configuration. The list numbers were also in the 2XXX range as opposed to the 3XXX. Remaining question is - how soon after the company filed the patent for the variable arc oscillator did they begin marketing it  ? surely they didn't wait on the patent to be awarded before going into production , or did they ?  :wondering:   That fan pictured is certainly a 16" model. They're great running fans unless the bearings are worn or the choke coil is fried. Good luck on your purchase. That model was the 1st fan in my collection back in 1970, bought to use , not to collect , then I got bit.

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After the oscillator wheel with 5 holes, they made the super nice adjustable version with one threaded knob & a worm gear, actually nicer than the Emerson version (In my opinion)

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Thank you all for the wonderful information!! Although I am kind of bummed it's 16" ( I just like the 12" fans much better for some reason) I am excited to see the oscillator set up and compare it to the information you all provided in this thread. It's hard to tell looking at pictures when your somewhat of a rookie AND if the seller doesn't provide that information in the description. I also searched the website gallery and fan ID pages before the auction ended but could not find this list number so I just had to take a chance. I'm sure I'll be happy with it and if I run into any issues I know where to get answers :up:

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I just finished up restoring a 3854(no letter after it.). Mine is definitely a 16". Great running fan!






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R&M in the early stages used "Patent Pending" on their fan motor tag. As far as I know they used it to intimidate.  :D

Later after R&M got a handful of fan related patents they just plopped them on ceiling fan related or not, to once again intimidate.  :D

BTW....nice example. 

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Ricky Jordan
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That is a good looking fan Vic  :clap: I only have 12" and smaller, I bet that baby moves some serious air!
I wasn't thrilled about getting a 16" but I'm starting to get a little excited for this fan to arrive. 

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Thanks Ricky, I'm sure you'll be happy with the fan your getting.Looks like it's ready to go with no work needed. Hope they ship it to you properly. Be careful in handling the fan, it's heavy and has the pot metal neck.

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Here is the same fan, all original & crusty = = with the "C" no idea, a later version?

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Nice! That is the exact fan for sure. Even the other 3 sets of numbers are exactly the same. Is that a future restoration project Steven or just part of your collection? 

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A future project, he paint is good, some pin striping still there, just some polishing , new wicks, lube - - the green felt is still pretty good!

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I finished this LIST 2404 - - polished the brass (a bunch of it) & polished & waxed the paint (this a B4 shot)

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I fixed the bends in he brass cage, and the original oscillator screw is gone

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Like the 6 wing blade :clap: Good looking fan Steven!

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Here is the big brother - - LIST 1159

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So, I got this ole girl today and have started taking it apart. I am having trouble trying to figure out how to dis-assemble the oscillator wheel and gears from the housing. I removed the set screw on the oscillator wheel but it will not slide off the shaft. If anyone might be able to give me some advise it would be so appreciated  :up:















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 Take that set screw all the way out and look for threads. If you find 'em then that confirms my foggy recollection that the wheel screws off of the shaft once the set screw is loosened.

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Your talking about seeing threads on the shaft once I removethe set screw correct?

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Yup - - just take out all the screws

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Really hard to see if there are threads on that shaft after Iremoved that set screw but it sure doesn’t look like it. I’ve 
held the shat with a small pair of pliers and it won’t unscrew..
Does this oscillator adjuster and cover maybe need to come
apart 1st?

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here is one disassembled:

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I know that little cotter pin needs to come out -don't loose it!

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Ricky Jordan wrote:
Really hard to see if there are threads on that shaft after Iremoved that set screw but it sure doesn’t look like it. I’ve 
held the shat with a small pair of pliers and it won’t unscrew..
Does this oscillator adjuster and cover maybe need to come
apart 1st?
On a 3804 it was easy to remove the bottom plate. There was just 2 screws to remove. But on the 3854 I couldn't figure out an easy way to remove it so I left  it alone.





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i Just cannot figure out how this wheel comes off either Vic. The only thing I see is the one set screw but even when removed it doesn’t budge. I think I see threads but the threads look smaller in diameter than the shaft which makes me think it’s pressed on. I’m totally confused. I’d like to get that gear out but I’m thinking that’s not gonna happen.

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My gear is not the same as the one pictured. Yours has a shaft in both ends and mine doesn’t! 

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Well, If I have time i'll look at mine - sure it needs fresh grease!!

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That would be Awesome if you know how to get that wheel off. If you look at that one picture that show's the set screw out you can kind of see the end of that shaft that the wheel is on stops about half way down in the opening of that screw hole. It is very possible that I need to get a puller to get it off of there but I just hate to start forcing something if I don't know for sure. The last think I want to do is break this thing. 
I am more than willing just leave it alone and clean all the grease out of the gears the way it is if necessary. When you take one down this far I just like to see the condition of the fiber washers and replace them if needed at the time so I don't have to worry about that kind of stuff down the road. May be perfectly ok though...

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Hey Rick - squirt some penetrating oil into the set screw hole and then heat the whole thing up with a hair dryer (or a shrink wrap heat gun if you have one)
Heat it up and squirt more pen oil into the set screw hole.
The warm metal will draw the oil into the joint. Let it sit for 10 minutes, then see if the wheel will come off.
Try twisting the wheel CW and CCW to see if it loosens up. (hold the gear on other end steady with a cloth rag - dont want that gear to tear up your fingers)
It should just slide off.
Years of just sitting there probably formed a rust bond.

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That is a great idea Joel. Would have never thought about doing that. I have a heat gun and penetrating oil and will certainly give that a try when I get home tonight. Thanks for the suggestion and I will let you know how that turns out!!

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Joel, that little trick with the penetrating oil and heat gun worked perfectly. I did exactly what you said and low and behold it came off! Geoff Dunaway was absolutely correct as was in fact threaded on and left handed threads! Once I removed that gear I noticed 2 more set screws and then realized those collars on the side of the housing that support the other gear had to be removed. Huge shout out for everyone’s help. 
I did notice when I removed both gears there were no fiber washers anywhere. Is it possible R&M didn’t need to use washers just because of the design? 





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Awesome !
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