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 Posted: Wed Jan 15th, 2020 04:07 am
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Dale Scribner
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I need a head wire cover, restraint, keeper for my Emerson 29646. The part that has 2 screws and whatever went inside to keep the headwire put. My fan is complete but for that.
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 Posted: Wed Jan 15th, 2020 04:20 am
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Honestly, you need a new headwire at the least, and a new lead(main wire). Trying to save the headwire on that fan is pointless considering it is one of the easier ones to change.

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That fan is screaming for a complete re-paint and polish. But, looking at your "avitar" photo, maybe just screaming... :D

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Dale Scribner
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Hi Alex,

It will get all new wire when I get into it. I need whatever keeps the wire secure. It has 2 screws that fasten it to the motor housing. That is the part I need. What we see in the picture is a rubber gromet and the 2 screws that are not doing anything.
Thank you, Dale

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Dale Scribner
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I wasn't feeling well when we took that picture, feeling much better now, but look abut the same. I build a small powder coating oven just for projects like this, and this fan will be its first use.

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I think a lot of modifications have been made here. I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that threaded "Bakelite" grommets would be correct for that fan. I just looked at one of my original condition 29646s, and that's what it has. Darryl Hudson has them.

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Also, this fan is not from post-1950; probably from the late 20s-early 30s. Give us a close-up of the I.D. plate.

That fan will look great in fresh powdercoat. You going with black, or some custom color?


P.S. Hit up AFCA member Tony Clayton for new wire, he custom-makes it, great stuff!

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Yes, I posted in the wrong place. Still finding my way. It will be black. All the other gromets in this fan were screw in. It is in the cleanup tank right now getting de-gunked. Tx, Dale

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Here are the badges, not real great shape, but they are there. Dale

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Richard Daugird wrote: I think a lot of modifications have been made here. I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that threaded "Bakelite" grommets would be correct for that fan. I just looked at one of my original condition 29646s, and that's what it has. Darryl Hudson has them.That is a later model 29646 with a "replaceable" headwire. On those models, the screw in grommet screws into a flange which is held on by the two small screws you see. The idea behind this vs the earlier ones with the round hole, was you can replace the headwire by removing the flange, & pulling the headwire out through the larger opening not having to dismantle the fan & remove the stator.

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 Posted: Wed Jan 15th, 2020 06:04 pm
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I think I've got what you need. I'll pm you

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Stan Adams wrote: Richard Daugird wrote: I think a lot of modifications have been made here. I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that threaded "Bakelite" grommets would be correct for that fan. I just looked at one of my original condition 29646s, and that's what it has. Darryl Hudson has them.That is a later model 29646 with a "replaceable" headwire. On those models, the screw in grommet screws into a flange which is held on by the two small screws you see. The idea behind this vs the earlier ones with the round hole, was you can replace the headwire by removing the flange, & pulling the headwire out through the larger opening not having to dismantle the fan & remove the stator.

If you try to pull the “replaceable” headwire out of the hole as Stan is suggesting, warm them inside the hole with a heat gun before pulling them out. It’ll make them more flexible.  They’ll harden again when they cool, so you’ll have to rewarm then to put them back into the hole.  And then, be slow and steady. These are old wires. 

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Luke Skelnik wrote: I think I've got what you need. I'll pm youIf Luke doesn't have one, I'll send one to you.

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Hi Richard, 
Finished the Emerson 29646 and here are a couple of pics before and after. Also a couple of pictures of my Lady Emerson. Enjoy. Dale















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That lady Emerson is awesome, although my wife probably wouldn't let me display it upstairs😀

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That Lady Emerson is insane! Custom creation?

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29646 came out great as well!

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The lady Emerson is a custom. I actually got the idea from the article about the fan dancer. I collect art deco items and had this 1920s chair side ashtray in my to do pile. I also aquired a 1920s Emerson Jr. fan. I looked at the fan, then the ashtray and it look as if a marriage was in order. It is one of my prized peices. She stands 33 1/2" tall and has a pearl finish.
The 19646 was the first item I powder coated in my home made powder coat oven. Now I have to find a place to put it. Fortunatley, my wife like my fans and deco statues. I have about 10 or so around the house and about seven fans. Several not finished yet.

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Here is what I wrote Richard.
The lady Emerson is a custom. I actually got the idea from the article about the fan dancer. I collect art deco items and had this 1920s chair side ashtray in my to do pile. I also aquired a 1920s Emerson Jr. fan. I looked at the fan, then the ashtray and it look as if a marriage was in order. It is one of my prized peices. She stands 33 1/2" tall and has a pearl finish.
The 19646 was the first item I powder coated in my home made powder coat oven. Now I have to find a place to put it. Fortunatley, my wife like my fans and deco statues. I have about 10 or so around the house and about seven fans. Several not finished yet.

Thank you, 

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That is the coolest custom Emerson Jr I have ever seen !
Is the statue hollow ?
Does the fans head wire pass down her arm and out the base under her feet ?
I want one !
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Hey, put a Hula outfit on that girl. Then she'll be welcome anywhere.
Just a thought.
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Yes, the wires go up through the body, through her arm, and into the fan housing. No wires seen any where, except for the plug wire. The switch is inside the fan housing. 
She was a fun project. Dale

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No! :D  She is a work of art, and for a 100 year old girl, still looks beautiful. Dale

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To prevent the headwire from pulling out of the little cover, Emerson tied twine around the wire, making a ball that would not pull through the hole in the cover. 

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Great job on the resto, Dale! :up:
If you wanted to take the fan to the next level, Donald Coleman can make a new brass tag to look like the zinc one, and a brass badge that looks like the zinc one! My 73648 had a zinc badge/tag, and for a reasonable sum, Donal Coleman made these. I also found brass blades on eBay, but your blades look good the way you did them!






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That is a good tip, thank you, Dale

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Looking at your Fan I wish I had done that. I don't relish taking it apart again and knocking out those press rivets. I finished a 2150 yesterday and it has no motor tag but the model number is on the cage badge. I wonder if he can do that? Thank you for the tip, I will check him out.

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Hey, Dale, I like your Lady Emerson!  :thumbup

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Joel Schmid wrote: That is the coolest custom Emerson Jr I have ever seen !
Is the statue hollow ?

Even several states away,...


I think I can hear the gears
in Rocky's head grinding.  :shock:

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Lady Emerson...



Dale, if only you could
get her to oscillate!  :thumbup



Last edited on Sat Feb 1st, 2020 03:13 pm by Jim Kovar

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Thank you, Yes she is hollow, wires go up through her arms and into the motor housing. Both are from the 1920s. Keep the wheels turning, gears grinding, never know what you can do til you do it. Dale

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Maybe the next one, But her waist is solid, maybe just the fan. I have another one I may do at some point. Dale

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Jim Kovar wrote: Lady Emerson...



Dale, if only you could
get her to oscillate!  :thumbup



You mean like this?



I once considered making a fan with one of these, actually a gyro with her in the middle. But these puppy's ain't cheap!
Cheers,
Maui Bill



 

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is that a collection or a store, it's pretty amazing either way, Dale

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These are the originals in a store on the Big Island, I think. Last time I looked base price was 800$. More now, I'm sure. There is a knock-off available for 250$, I think.
My ex used to make the Hawaiiana lamp shades for these.
She used 100 year old Hawaiian print drape material mostly.
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The lady Emerson is incredible! Very pretty.

The 29646 looks nice too!

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Dale Scribner wrote: Looking at your Fan I wish I had done that. I don't relish taking it apart again and knocking out those press rivets. I finished a 2150 yesterday and it has no motor tag but the model number is on the cage badge. I wonder if he can do that? Thank you for the tip, I will check him out.

You're certainly welcome, Dale.

It is definitely worth contacting him about! And with mine, I found brass nails slightly larger than the holes, cut them short(and rounded  the tips), and drove them in with a brass hammer.
His Tags come flat, so the best way to make the nails hold is to curve the plate beforehand. Then I just taped around it and sprayed with lacquer.




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Hi Zackri,
Thank you, Lady Emerson takes the cake every time. She is one of a kind.

Dale

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I may have replied to the wrong post. If I did, here it is again. 
Hi Zackri,Thank you, Lady Emerson takes the cake every time. She is one of a kind.Dale

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