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| Posted: Mon Feb 24th, 2020 10:50 pm |
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Andrew White AFCA Member 
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This one has had a pretty hard life. It was in the back room of a brake and alignment shop. The owner of the business said it was on constantly until the levolier switch broke, then it got taken down and put in storage. My friend, while having some brake work done on his Toyota, offhandedly asked the business owner if he had any old fans laying around and he showed him this one. I met with the guy and he agreed to trade it to me for rewiring and installing new bearings on a more modern Patton pedestal circulator that was being used in place of this Emerson. Despite its rough appearance, it is almost completely silent, reasonably well balanced, and runs below the rated amperage. I’m pleased. I made a video of it running on low. It has a rather long spin-down.    Little bit of heat shrink and some new wires made it much safer....  Last edited on Mon Feb 24th, 2020 10:50 pm by Andrew White |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 24th, 2020 11:01 pm |
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Alex Rushing AFCA Member 
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Very cool!
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| Posted: Mon Feb 24th, 2020 11:08 pm |
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Stan Adams Super Moderator 
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Great find Andrew, that is the later version. Appears in great shape too!
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| Posted: Mon Feb 24th, 2020 11:16 pm |
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Andrew White AFCA Member
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Stan, on low it sounds a lot like your big vortalex by the air compressor. It moves about the same amount of air too! Fortunately nothing is super bent on it. Someone did a little home-made balancing on it in the past though. I plan on mounting it in my garage, it’s going to be so great this summer!
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| Posted: Mon Feb 24th, 2020 11:51 pm |
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Andrew White AFCA Member
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Video of start up and run on high speed...
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| Posted: Tue Feb 25th, 2020 12:54 am |
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Steven P Dempsey AFCA Member 
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I have that blade, nice
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| Posted: Thu Feb 27th, 2020 02:29 am |
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Mike Kearns AFCA Member 
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Andrew White wrote: This one has had a pretty hard life. It was in the back room of a brake and alignment shop. The owner of the business said it was on constantly until the levolier switch broke, then it got taken down and put in storage.1948 -  1950 -  1954 -  Last edited on Thu Feb 27th, 2020 02:39 am by Mike Kearns |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 27th, 2020 04:51 pm |
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Zachary Parr AFCA Member 
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Glad you were able to save that emerson! These are my favorite type of pedestal fans. The 30" ones are very powerful and don't draw that much power compared to other fans. Can't wait to see if hanging up. Also there is a wire diagram for these to wire 2 pole double throw switch to it. It will allow it to have 2 speeds. 
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| Posted: Thu Feb 27th, 2020 04:54 pm |
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Zachary Parr AFCA Member
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Those blades will polish up but it will take time. Mine looked just like yours but I used 0000 grade steel wool to get the dirt off. Then you can get blue magic metal polish and polish up the blades.  
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| Posted: Thu Feb 27th, 2020 05:02 pm |
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Zachary Parr AFCA Member
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Here is what the original canopy would have looked like. Here is the smaller one from yours. It is a 24" which is more common than yours.  
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| Posted: Thu Feb 27th, 2020 05:33 pm |
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Stan Adams Super Moderator
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Andrew I bought another K60 Tuesday, you will be happy to know it is my usual, Levolier shorted switch cooked the windings. It is the early model, but looks like motor is trash.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 27th, 2020 06:00 pm |
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Andrew White AFCA Member
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Zachary- Nice fans! I used that exact wiring diagram to hook it up without a switch for the test runs, very helpful. I've got a switch on the way, should be here on Monday. It took me a little while to figure out how to hook it up but now that I understand it, its pretty straightforward. Emerson had some interesting motor designs, this one is no exception! And I have to say, --wow-- these things are really well built, rivals even ILG! Stan- That is unfortunate, sorry to hear that. Is yours the one with the thinner "leaf" blades? Emerson should've made switches too, they would have lasted forever! These levoliers seem kinda "cheap" relatively speaking. Last edited on Thu Feb 27th, 2020 06:00 pm by Andrew White |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 27th, 2020 06:26 pm |
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Zachary Parr AFCA Member
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Andrew I definitely agree. I have heard to get low speed on these they create poles that aren't there.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 28th, 2020 02:33 am |
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Stan Adams Super Moderator
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Zachary they don’t create poles, they use a series/parallel. On series (low) this basically makes it a 230 volt motor running on 120 volts.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 29th, 2020 05:54 am |
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Andrew Block AFCA Member
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Stan Adams wrote: Zachary they don’t create poles, they use a series/parallel. On series (low) this basically makes it a 230 volt motor running on 120 volts. Actually the realllllll early 3 wingers used a pole switching motor. David A. did a nice video on one of mine, rebadged a Delco. It had some funny wiring that took some time to figure out.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 29th, 2020 02:52 pm |
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Stan Adams Super Moderator
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Andrew Block wrote: Stan Adams wrote:The 4 petal blade ones do too Andrew. Took me a while to figure that as it only has three wires. I wrote a diagram on those if you run into one.All of the big blade ones I have run into though are series/parallels. Speaking of the K60 series/parallel motors, I have one on the workbench right now with 8 wires! 4 sets of coils. Haven’t run into this before, this one may take some time. All of the wires were bare & shorted, hoping they didn’t cook the windings. It is the very early K60.Zachary they don’t create poles, they use a series/parallel. On series (low) this basically makes it a 230 volt motor running on 120 volts. Attached Image (viewed 214 times):
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| Posted: Sat Feb 29th, 2020 03:47 pm |
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Andrew Block AFCA Member
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Stan Adams wrote: Andrew Block wrote:Stan Adams wrote:8 wires! 4 sets of coils. Let it be known for all to hear that Stan Adams is the bravest of men to trudge into the darkness carrying only a multi-meter and a soldering iron!
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| Posted: Sat Feb 29th, 2020 04:35 pm |
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John McComas AFCA Member 
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Andrew Block wrote: Stan Adams wrote:Here! Here! I'll toast to that! (He sometimes uses a stroboscope to light his way!) Stan da Man!Andrew Block wrote:Stan Adams wrote:8 wires! 4 sets of coils. 
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| Posted: Sat Feb 29th, 2020 04:59 pm |
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Stan Adams Super Moderator
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Yeh I’ll get new bearings Tuesday, put it together & see if I can keep from letting the magic smoke out.😂
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| Posted: Sun Mar 1st, 2020 06:45 am |
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Andrew White AFCA Member
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Wow. What do you figure, a three speed or something? I count 5 wires coming out of mine. Or an actual dual voltage motor? Last edited on Sun Mar 1st, 2020 06:49 am by Andrew White |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 1st, 2020 01:08 pm |
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Stan Adams Super Moderator
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Andrew I put DC on it yesterday & it has the two usual run windings, but also two individual start windings. This is the first I have run into this. As soon as I pick up the bearings & put it together, I'll see if the start windings are in series or in parallel.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 1st, 2020 03:08 pm |
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David Allen AFCA Member
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Stan Adams wrote: Andrew I put DC on it yesterday & it has the two usual run windings, but also two individual start windings. This is the first I have run into this. As soon as I pick up the bearings & put it together, I'll see if the start windings are in series or in parallel. This is interesting! Is it a centrifugal switch motor?
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| Posted: Sun Mar 1st, 2020 03:31 pm |
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Stan Adams Super Moderator
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No David it's a PSC. Every time I think I have all of these Emmy circulators figured out, surprise! It is the real early model K60 with the early cage like a giant 77 series cage.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 1st, 2020 04:14 pm |
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David Allen AFCA Member
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Stan Adams wrote: No David it's a PSC. This is one of the things which keeps this hobby so interesting!
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