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 Posted: Mon May 11th, 2020 03:26 am
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Levi Mevis
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Hello everyone late last year I bought an old Sears Deluxe Homart Cooler Window Fan that is a 2 Speed Electrically reversable model with a timer switch, that I believe dates to either the late 1940s or early 1950s as it has the rounded Homart Cooler badge instead of the rectangular one (which I believe the rounded badge predates the rectangular badge). 
When I got it home and looked it over I noticed that both of the exhaust (out) buttons were broken off of the switch and I've been looking all over fleabay for a replacement switch with little luck until just now. 

I finally found one that was being sold along with a 6-button switch that they wanted $49.99 or best offer, and so I shot the owner an offer of $15 for just the 5 button switch explaining to them that it was going to be used in an old window fan which they counter offered $33 and said they were only interested in selling the switches as a set, to which I counter offered $20 and told them that I only needed the 5 button switch and that was it and that I didn't have a need for the 6 button switch and then they counter offered $33 again, and no explanation, so then I finally counter offered $25 and told them that I would take both switches but $25 was as high as I could go because of a tight budget due to not working because of the corona virus and the only income I have is SSDI right now and that's it, and they thankfully accepted the offer then.

The Original switch in this fan (with the 2 broken buttons) was an Ark-les branded pushbutton switch assembly that has a dark brown colored button in the middle for the off position and 4 light brown colored buttons for the hi and lo settings in forward and reverse, the replacement switch I found is also a 5 button Ark-les branded pushbutton switch assembly but the colors of the buttons are a little different from the original but I think it would work the same though, just the button colors are arranged differently, as the replacement switch I found has a black switch on top (rather than in the middle like on the original switch) and then it has 3 white buttons in the middle, and a clear button on the bottom, which I think that I could probably figure out a way to get the switch apart and re-arrange the buttons so that they match the original switch's button arrangement better.

See pictures below of the unit in question, and the replacement switch I found.



Sears Homart Cooler Inside View showing rounded badge


Homart Cooler Fan Switch view showing the broken original switch assembly. 



Replacement Ark-les Pushbutton Switch Frontside (bottom switch is the one I think that should work on this fan)


Replacement Ark-les Pushbutton Switch Backside (right switch is the 5 button switch, the left switch is the 6 button switch but oddly enough has the same amount of hookup terminals as the 5 button switch.)

I would appreciate any help regarding whether or not the switch I got on fleabay would work on this fan like I think it should and maybe an approximate year as to when this fan was made.

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Levi




   

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Anyone have some information for me about this fan?

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I think some modifications were done to your fan in it's past. I have a few of those, I believe they have 1/6 H.P. motors; definitley not 1-1/4 or 2 H.P.! I'm not saying what you have can't be made to work, but it will take someone smarter than me to figure it out...

Here's what those fans can look like with a little elbow grease and rattle can paint:

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Richard Daugird wrote: I think some modifications were done to your fan in it's past. I have a few of those, I believe they have 1/6 H.P. motors; definitley not 1-1/4 or 2 H.P.! I'm not saying what you have can't be made to work, but it will take someone smarter than me to figure it out...

Here's what those fans can look like with a little elbow grease and rattle can paint:

Richard, those switches are the replacement switches that I bought to replace the original switch that's still in the fan which is currently broken, the fan is all original, it still has its original Craftsman motor in it yet that still works and the timer switch and the push-button switch on the fan is original to the fan as the cover markings are original to the fan.

Also your picture is missing from your post.

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I realize those are the new switches you bought. I was wondering about the switches that are still there, different than mine, mine was missing the switch when I got it, but the hole is down at the bottom corner, and it was never cut for switches like you have. I guess they mounted different switches and motors in these over the years.

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My fan is just like yours except its the Deluxe version with the 2 speed electrically reversable push-button switch and the timer switch, and it has a round badge rather than a rectangular badge which makes me think its a fairly early model.

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Richard Daugird wrote: I realize those are the new switches you bought. I was wondering about the switches that are still there, different than mine, mine was missing the switch when I got it, but the hole is down at the bottom corner, and it was never cut for switches like you have. I guess they mounted different switches and motors in these over the years.
Look up a Sears Homart Cooler Deluxe Window Fan, they did make them and they did originally come with push button switches and were electrically reverable and had a timer switch. 

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Gotcha, mine was probably a base model. I'm sure somebody here will chime in.

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Richard Daugird wrote: Gotcha, mine was probably a base model. I'm sure somebody here will chime in.
Yes, there are 2 youtube videos showing the Deluxe model just like mine. 

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levi i have that exact fan...i dont know if those swtiches work. i do remember that there is a lock out in this swtich so you cannot go from exhaust to intake without first pressing off. is it possible for you to re use the switch you have, sometimes those pushbuttons slide off a post and can be replaced if you have the right button covers 

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Tom Zapf wrote: levi i have that exact fan...i dont know if those swtiches work. i do remember that there is a lock out in this swtich so you cannot go from exhaust to intake without first pressing off. is it possible for you to re use the switch you have, sometimes those pushbuttons slide off a post and can be replaced if you have the right button covers Tom, that's what I was thinking of trying to do seeing if I could use the buttons off of one of those switches to repair my original if I can get the buttons to slide off without breaking them.

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Levi Mevis wrote: Tom Zapf wrote: levi i have that exact fan...i dont know if those swtiches work. i do remember that there is a lock out in this swtich so you cannot go from exhaust to intake without first pressing off. is it possible for you to re use the switch you have, sometimes those pushbuttons slide off a post and can be replaced if you have the right button covers Tom, that's what I was thinking of trying to do seeing if I could use the buttons off of one of those switches to repair my original if I can get the buttons to slide off without breaking them.These push button switches are very often not interchangeable unless you know for certain they came from the exact same fan. Depending on how bad your original switch is damaged, I would try making new switches with epoxy resin. A method I've been looking to try for awhile now, just haven't gotten around to it. Seems doable though.

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Rob Duffy wrote: Levi Mevis wrote: Tom Zapf wrote: levi i have that exact fan...i dont know if those swtiches work. i do remember that there is a lock out in this swtich so you cannot go from exhaust to intake without first pressing off. is it possible for you to re use the switch you have, sometimes those pushbuttons slide off a post and can be replaced if you have the right button covers Tom, that's what I was thinking of trying to do seeing if I could use the buttons off of one of those switches to repair my original if I can get the buttons to slide off without breaking them.These push button switches are very often not interchangeable unless you know for certain they came from the exact same fan. Depending on how bad your original switch is damaged, I would try making new switches with epoxy resin. A method I've been looking to try for awhile now, just haven't gotten around to it. Seems doable though.
Hey Rob, the 2 buttons that are broken on my switch assembly on my fan are the exhaust buttons and they are broken off below the surface, so I would need to somehow take the switch assembly apart to get those buttons out to swap them out.

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Levi Mevis wrote: Rob Duffy wrote: Levi Mevis wrote: Tom Zapf wrote: levi i have that exact fan...i dont know if those swtiches work. i do remember that there is a lock out in this swtich so you cannot go from exhaust to intake without first pressing off. is it possible for you to re use the switch you have, sometimes those pushbuttons slide off a post and can be replaced if you have the right button covers Tom, that's what I was thinking of trying to do seeing if I could use the buttons off of one of those switches to repair my original if I can get the buttons to slide off without breaking them.These push button switches are very often not interchangeable unless you know for certain they came from the exact same fan. Depending on how bad your original switch is damaged, I would try making new switches with epoxy resin. A method I've been looking to try for awhile now, just haven't gotten around to it. Seems doable though.
Hey Rob, the 2 buttons that are broken on my switch assembly on my fan are the exhaust buttons and they are broken off below the surface, so I would need to somehow take the switch assembly apart to get those buttons out to swap them out.
The only way to do that is to drill out the rivet/nuts on the corners of the switch. If you plan to do this though, proceed with caution because there's many fiber boards in here that need to be arranged in the correct way otherwise you'll end up with a switch that shorts out.

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Rob Duffy wrote: Levi Mevis wrote: Rob Duffy wrote: Levi Mevis wrote: Tom Zapf wrote: levi i have that exact fan...i dont know if those swtiches work. i do remember that there is a lock out in this swtich so you cannot go from exhaust to intake without first pressing off. is it possible for you to re use the switch you have, sometimes those pushbuttons slide off a post and can be replaced if you have the right button covers Tom, that's what I was thinking of trying to do seeing if I could use the buttons off of one of those switches to repair my original if I can get the buttons to slide off without breaking them.These push button switches are very often not interchangeable unless you know for certain they came from the exact same fan. Depending on how bad your original switch is damaged, I would try making new switches with epoxy resin. A method I've been looking to try for awhile now, just haven't gotten around to it. Seems doable though.
Hey Rob, the 2 buttons that are broken on my switch assembly on my fan are the exhaust buttons and they are broken off below the surface, so I would need to somehow take the switch assembly apart to get those buttons out to swap them out.
The only way to do that is to drill out the rivet/nuts on the corners of the switch. If you plan to do this though, proceed with caution because there's many fiber boards in here that need to be arranged in the correct way otherwise you'll end up with a switch that shorts out.
Ok, thanks for the info. I'll try to be careful about that.

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OK I got my switches today and I tried them out, and they definitely were not designed to be fan switches, because the way the buttons push down there can be 2 or 3 buttons pushed down at once which I don't think would work for a fan. 

I was thinking that the 6 button one could of been used on a fan because it would be enough buttons to give you 3 speeds, an off position and a forward and reverse button (for an electrically reversable fan, which I have seen box fans like that before). 

But the buttons that I was thinking could be used for reversing the fan's direction shut off along with the rest of the buttons when you hit the "off" button which I wouldn't of thought that the fan's direction button would of shut off along with the fan's speed selection but I could be wrong as I've not handled too many push-button switch equipped fans before (except for the old '70s and '80s vintage table fans, but those fans work differently than these old push-button window and box fans from the 1950s and 1960s did).

As for the 5 button push-button switch, the one I thought I could of used for my window fan, there is definitely an "off" switch, (the black button) but then the clear button can stay engaged along with one of the white push buttons, and only shut off when you push the black button and the black and clear button can engage and disengage each other. 

Is there any way to use one of these switches with my fan besides just taking them apart and using the buttons off of them on my fan's original broken switch?

Thanks for your help.

Levi

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UPDATE: I just took the 5 button switch apart (had to drill the threaded rivets out) and took the button covers I needed off the 5 button switch and took the original switch apart (also drilled the threaded rivets out of that one as well) and removed the broken buttons and installed the ones I salvaged from the switch I got off fleabay and I also had to do a little work to the mechanism as it was sticking after I replaced the broken buttons, but I think it works now (I think it needs some dielectric grease on the switch buttons in order for the buttons to slide and glide easily along the phenolic slides inside the switch.) 

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That is actually one of the later model Homart Coolers. The earlier models had the wavy wire cages, the rectangular badges and the arched cutouts on the side panels. Good luck with the switch. Those push buttons were really trendy in the late 1950s.

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Actually my fan is from about 1956, so mid 1950s, because the switch assembly had a date stamped on it of 4-56 or April of 1956. 
Also did these Craftsman Motors that these Homart Coolers used have centrifugal start switches in them?
I'm asking because when I first turn on this fan it makes a loud buzzing noise until the motor gets up to speed then the buzzing noise goes away.

Also one thing I've notices about this fan (now that I've got the switch fixed properly on this fan) is that when the fan is turned on in exaust mode the fan buzzes until the motor gets up to speed then the buzzing noise stops and the fan runs dead silent, but when turning the fan on in intake mode the fan buzzes until the motor gets up to speed and then the buzz goes away except for a slight buzzing noise that continues long after the fan has gotten up to speed, and its not a very loud buzzing noise (it actually sounds like the kind of noise that the fan makes if the badge were loose and rattling against the cage). My question is, is that buzzing noise that the motor makes in intake mode that continues after the motor has gotten up to speed normal or is there something wrong with the centrifugal switch in the motor (if the motor does indeed have one)?

Any help with this matter would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Levi 

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