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 Posted: Wed Sep 16th, 2020 06:43 am
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Russ Huber
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http://www.waterworkshistory.us/tech/Backus/BackusWaterMotor.pdf

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 Posted: Wed Sep 16th, 2020 06:49 am
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Evan Atkinson
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Cool find Russ. Don't think they thought that elevator-powered water motor idea through though... :shock:

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 Posted: Wed Sep 16th, 2020 02:26 pm
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Craig Glandon posted this picture of Chuck's fan from 2010 -- 13th post

https://www.afcaforum.com/view_topic.php?id=14223&forum_id=1&highlight=water+fan




Last edited on Wed Sep 16th, 2020 02:27 pm by Michael Rathberger

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 Posted: Wed Sep 16th, 2020 03:58 pm
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Picked this up at Museum meet
I assume cage was added later and possibly the blade

Any idea on original color ...Black?

Had them not sideways sorry about that ....see " loading Pic thread "





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 Posted: Wed Sep 16th, 2020 04:21 pm
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The hub, struts and cage on that match Chucks fan exactly Jim, albeit Chuck's is a 12" fan.

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 Posted: Wed Sep 16th, 2020 04:39 pm
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Jim Roadt
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Thanks 
It will look awesome

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 Posted: Wed Sep 16th, 2020 05:35 pm
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Steven P Dempsey
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I saw that in person - - it is a beast!!

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 Posted: Wed Sep 16th, 2020 07:17 pm
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Very nice. I recently saw a set of those "rotary fans"

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 Posted: Wed Sep 16th, 2020 11:06 pm
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Jim Roadt
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I assume Zerk ( pictured in post #4 3rd pic ) fitting was an add on  ( patent 1923 )
Was that an oiler cup originally?

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 Posted: Wed Sep 16th, 2020 11:29 pm
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Steven P Dempsey
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What kind of water pressure does it take? From a wind mill, hydro plant??

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 Posted: Thu Sep 17th, 2020 12:52 am
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Could you imagine Jim if it was still in use post 1923? Look at it this way, someone cared. If you crack it open make sure we get to see the wheel...

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 Posted: Thu Sep 17th, 2020 01:11 am
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Finally a motor I can Handle
Water goes in spins wheel turns blade

No head wire , stator, speed coil , soldering or anything else I could wreck

Still had to log out and back in to up load....going to take Bills advice on pics soon ( see loading pic thread

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 Posted: Sat Sep 19th, 2020 01:10 am
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Chads site

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 Posted: Sun Sep 20th, 2020 11:54 pm
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Would like to  replace the motor housing screws with brass ,however,  difficult to find the right size.
10 24 is close , 1/4" 20 too big.  How do I determine the proper size prior to ordering ( from McMaster or similar )

Any suggestions appreciated 

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 Posted: Mon Sep 21st, 2020 12:12 am
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Michael Rathberger
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Thread gauge plus a micrometer, you may have an odd number screw. I have a box of dies from the old days. There is a set of number 9 and I think number 11 dies...

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 Posted: Mon Sep 21st, 2020 12:54 am
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Looks like it might be #12-24. Hard to tell from just the pic, though.
Cheers,
Bill

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 Posted: Fri Sep 25th, 2020 11:46 pm
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Bingo 12-24
Any ideas what this hole is for?

On the outside it is right behind the zerk fitting

On the inside it is behind the wheel

Not threaded....Perhaps some release point like a whales blow hole  ( no golf ball was found in it )



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 Posted: Sat Sep 26th, 2020 11:14 am
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My best guess is that the hole is an overflow to prevent the motor from over filling. It will indicate that the water supply volume is too great.

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 Posted: Sat Sep 26th, 2020 08:18 pm
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That or air needs to come in...

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 Posted: Tue Oct 20th, 2020 02:19 am
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Thanks to Bill Dunlap for cage and struts

Thanks to my great motor repair skills ( sarcasm font .... There is just a wheel inside there )

Back to original glory

Currently just dry fit together .  I will seal it shut at another time

At 27 " tall it is impressive









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 Posted: Tue Oct 20th, 2020 02:56 am
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Wow! That turned out real sharp! Would love to see you run it.

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 Posted: Tue Oct 20th, 2020 11:53 am
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Love it, congrats!

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 Posted: Tue Oct 20th, 2020 12:53 pm
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Michael Rathberger
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Insane. No one can probably say they have one Jim, nor can they say they've seen one unless its yours they've seen.

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 Posted: Tue Oct 20th, 2020 02:51 pm
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congrats

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 Posted: Sun Oct 25th, 2020 05:21 pm
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Astonishingly it blows a lot of air with very little water pressure
Last chance to run it before hose is frozen solid



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 Posted: Sun Oct 25th, 2020 06:12 pm
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The frame rate of my phone makes it look like it is going slow, however, it was very fast and spin down is almost endless

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:shock:Jim Roadt wrote: The frame rate of my phone makes it look like it is going slow, however, it was very fast and spin down is almost endlessThe frame rate on your phone has it blowing backwards! :shock: (BTW, your table is getting wet). Nice fan, I wish that I had one.

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You should attach a sprinkler to the fan where the used water comes out.

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 Posted: Sun Oct 25th, 2020 08:42 pm
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If the water motor is on the second floor or higher in the building you could do that.   A 'head" of water has to be built up to run a sprinkler.

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Mark Olson wrote: BTW, your table is getting wet...
But the lizard is digging it!   :D

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 Posted: Mon Oct 26th, 2020 12:59 am
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Jim Roadt
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What did they use as a water / pump source in 1895?
I assume they did not have a spigot and rubber hose attached to their home next to a gas grill.


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 Posted: Mon Oct 26th, 2020 12:08 pm
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Jim Roadt wrote: What did they use as a water / pump source in 1895?

I assume they did not have a spigot and rubber hose attached to their home next to a gas grill.






The water source for the building. Straight from a tap. In the early days, in the cities, municipal water was free. When they started metering and charging, these fell out of favor. These were not home fans. Your fan was found in a small city/town located next to a river as its municipal water source.

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