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 Posted: Sun Oct 11th, 2020 05:32 pm
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Carlos Alvarado
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Working on these fans are addicting. So relaxing though. You focus and all the while pondering on the fine folks who put them together. Fun stuff...The 10" stator removal wasn't bad, this 12" looks like its going to fight me. It's just giving me dirty looks... 

I stumbled across a post by Darrel years ago on his jig to remove the stator with a 6" jaw puller, a plate, some screws, grunt, grunt, grunt... Plus I don't have a way to machine down the 5" od pvc. So will be trying this... Don't hate on my home made machinists pencil :P

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 Posted: Tue Oct 13th, 2020 01:00 pm
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Carlos Alvarado
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Well, that was surprisingly easy. The jig works nicely. No fight, no damage...





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 Posted: Wed Oct 14th, 2020 02:14 am
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Ah the miracles of a three jaw puller. Great to see another stamped Westy getting the proper restoration treatment!

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 Posted: Wed Oct 14th, 2020 04:05 am
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Off to a great start, Los!
I love seeing the drawn steel Westys getting some love!

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 Posted: Fri Oct 16th, 2020 11:17 am
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Thank you gentlemen! Since I have you both here, as I was cleaning the parts in my modified parts washer  Some of the paint was coming off on the small pieces and I got all excited 😁 because I saw copper. But then after hitting it with the bench grinder wire wheel, I realized it was just copper plating... Womp, womp...






So now I just have to copper plate the pieces. I found a 100 year old recipe of contact plating. You basically take copper sulfate, potassium bitartrate, sodium chloride, and make a powder. You then add water into a rag and rub the stuff into metal to plate it just like they did in the old days...
I also got the ingredients to make a "safe" copper sulfate electrolyte incase that doesn't work and have to do it via electrolysis.




It interests me to learn the type of metals and processes used to make these old fans. Pot metal, iron, steel, brass, nickle, have you guys seen much copper plating done in the fans that you guys have restored?

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That is really cool with the plating experiment stuff!Looking forward to seeing how it works out!

If there had been any copper plate on my Westy stuff, I might have wire wheeled it off with the paint. I'm still n00bing it with mostly mechanical paint removal (wire wheel, sanding on random orbit, scraping, etc).

Mid 20s parts pile.




1919 parts pile.


Maybe a hint on the pass through bolt?
This was one of the earlier fans I tackled last year, so not as throughout as it would be now.

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 Posted: Fri Oct 16th, 2020 12:08 pm
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Los, copper plating can be found on some ceiling fans. Someone recently did some copper on a ceiling fan in a post here. Can't recall who did it, as I need more coffee right now... But I know I've seen it on some Emerson and Victor ceiling fans.

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Hmm? Interesting. I was reading somewhere that brass was used to give the impression of wealth. Although brass was considerably cheaper than gold or copper. (I also need more coffee because I don't remember where I saw that at) I wonder if they used plating because making it in copper just wasn't cost effective. Taking into account time for the plating process, copper plating  wasn't cost effective either because making the parts in brass just made more sense money wise. I dunno, I watch way too much of The History Guy that I'm already talking like him... lol

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 Posted: Fri Oct 16th, 2020 03:27 pm
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There was some copper plating left on my Westinghouse stamped steel oil cups.




What style no. is your Westinghouse? Yours has different ridging on the bottom of the oil cups than mine. Yours also have slots on the bottom for a screwdriver; while mine are just plain and flat on the bottom. The above oil cups are from a 162628.

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 Posted: Fri Oct 16th, 2020 10:18 pm
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That is interesting. Thanks for sharing. I usually go straight to media blasting. I should check the metal before I do that. I noticed on mine all the fasteners are indeed copper plated. 
Mine is a 315734A

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Oh, yours is a later micarta bladed one I guess. That would explain the difference in oil cups, as the brass and micarta Westinghouses have plenty of differences. 

I don't think my oil cups were ever painted. All I did before the photo was wipe the gunk off with brake cleaner.

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