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 Posted: Wed Oct 14th, 2020 07:41 pm
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Jim Humphrey
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Hi all,
Here's a pic of the base of the wiremount I bought at the Museum Meet.  Just inside the outer perimeter of the base is a rectangular recess that goes around the base and which holds a hollow rectangular length of  plastic or hard rubber of some sort that I'm calling a spline.  In the pic you can see a lighter color spline sort of thing that stands just proud of the lower surface of the base.  I'm of the opinion that this is a high tech foot to protect whatever the fan may be placed upon.  I'd like to have the folks who know JANDUS confirm this or set me straight, and perhaps give me some ideas on what I might use to replace the spline, since it's rock hard and only stands above the base maybe .020".  I'm also thinking that there was no cardboard bottom cover, right?

Finally, what is the purpose of the three raised areas in the casting just inside the spline, the half round and two differently shaped "wave" things?  Those just seem to be some unnecessary complications, but I'd wager they actually did have a purpose.

Thanks for any help!

Jim




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 Posted: Wed Oct 14th, 2020 08:31 pm
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Following, I’m wondering what others have used

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You are correct Jim in that there was no cardboard or other cover for the base, at least one that I have ever seen.   I have two 12" wiremounts; a GE and what I believe is later, an AB motor.   Both have the rubber spline (yes, mine are also hard) but only the AB base has the raised parts.   Those may have been for when the fan base was screwed down to keep part of the base from breaking away.   My AB base has three rubber feet in those locations, the GE motor has some rubber inserts in the top of the base but they do not extend to the underside of the base.

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Jim, I bought a length of 1/8" rubber from McMaster Carr. It fit in the channel perfectly. I used it for my Jandus wire mount and C-frame.  https://www.mcmaster.com/rubber/rubber/width~1-4-1/



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Thanks for the info guys!  Man, I figured I'd be in for a long search and a lot of dead ends before I'd get some definitive info and find a source for some stuff to fill that groove.  Here 'tis, 6 hours later and got answers and a source for material for a really odd application.  Mark, don't you be running off and buying all of McMaster's supply of the rubber stuff before I get a chance to buy a couple feet!

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The original rubber spline is BLACK if originality matters.

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Thanks Steve, I figured it wouldn't be red, but I'm thinking I can probably make it black or just live with red.  Although, the stuff that's installed on the AB I've got is actually yellowish or perhaps was originally transparent.  Also, it's rectangular in section but it's an open tube from end to end.  Although, I can't swear that it's the original, either.  There's something to be said for having something that'll work right now, though.  Jim

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Great find, Jim! One of the prettiest fans ever made. IMO of course.
An alternative solution to the stripping is to use a base cover and press it in with a piece of used wire.





Sits perfectly and the switch isn't open to the surface of the piece sat on.


Mine doesn't have those places like yours.Edit: Just read a previous post about the GE/AB motors.

This has the BMY polyphase motor.












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Vic Valencheck wrote: Jim, I bought a length of 1/8" rubber from McMaster Carr. It fit in the channel perfectly. I used it for my Jandus wire mount and C-frame.  https://www.mcmaster.com/rubber/rubber/width~1-4-1/




I'm impressed. I have of few of those buggers and never gave McMaster a thought.  :D

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Well, it took 20 minutes to get from the AFCA home page to here, so I'd say there's an issue with somebody messing with the website or the host or whatever I really mean.  

Anyway, thanks for the responses and info, and I do have another question in regards to the cage badge.  I've got a previously polished up BMY wire mount whose cage badge is completely polished, and then I have this AB wire mount whose badge is apparently painted black except for the lettering.  Matter of fact, I think I can see marks from when the paint was ground or sanded off of the lettering, but it's hard to be sure.  So, does anyone know for sure what the original badges looked like?  I'm tending to go with polished lettering on a black background.  Certainly can't complain about a lack of relief making paint removal difficult.  The rear view of the badge seems to show where some paint apparently escaped from the front and seeped down in a spot or two on the back of the badge.


Either way, fully polished or black background, these badges are pretty striking.


Jim








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 Posted: Thu Oct 15th, 2020 07:58 pm
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I forgot to ask something, and I've been meaning to ask for years, but what does JANDUS stand for?

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Jim Humphrey wrote:  what does JANDUS stand for?
Billy "Jandus".  One of the primary patent holders of their arc lights. I am not sure when fan motor engineer Bernard Stowe joined the Jandus crew. His first fan motor to hit the market was a 12" DC in 01. Bernie engineered arc light as well.

Jandus Electric had legal hassles in the late 19th. 



 

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After Adams and Bagnall absorbed Jandus Electric Co. late 10 the Jandus name remained as a trademark name.

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Thanks Russ, I actually did searches on the website here thinking that the word JANDUS would get me an answer just because it's so unique.  But for some reason, I got everything JANDUS related except where the h*ll the word came from.  Once again, you 'da man!  Jim

Edit: I notice that the website seems to be up and running like a champ right now, but you watch, in an hour or so it'll be back to horrible wait times.

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Jim, I have three Jandi fans from a DC roundball to the GE BMY motor version and the later AB version.  All cage badges are "as cast" and not polished at all.  The cages look to have been "dipped and lacquered" too.  There is  no black background or filling in the cage badge recesses.   Some Jandus badges look to have been roughly ground to smooth the raised surface but that's the extent of work on the badge.
GE badges were never polished, at least until close to the 1930s models.  They, too, along with the other brass through 1919 were "dipped and lacquered" with a bright but unpolished finish.
GE "roundback"  below showing original dipped and lacquered finish used by GE from at least c.1905 through 1915.   The Jandus cage finish is similar.



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Steve,

Yep, I can live with that description of the JANDUS badges being just as cast with no paint, and I can see where there are marks on the upper parts of the letters where they've been slightly surfaced.  I suspect the black paint on the badge I pictured was a later "improvement" at some point in time that will probably come off pretty easily with a bit of paint remover.  Sort of too bad that the good remover with methylene chloride is out of fashion now, but give a fool something that works well and is dangerous and pretty soon people are dropping like flies.


Hey, another question for anyone who has any experience with getting the JANDUS blades brass plated.  The blades on this fan have to be replated, there is hardly any brass plating left on them and the patina sort of flakes off with a thumbnail.  So, where does one get blades brass plated?  I think I've found a place in the Chicago area, but was wondering if anyone might have a better idea???


Jim

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With luck you might find a replacement BRASS Jandus blade for your fan that could be no more than having a blade plated.   My three 12" Jandi have brass blades, a 16" I had was plated steel.

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Jim, don’t worry.  I only need a couple feet myself.  If they have four feet in stock we should both be good😀.  I think a black sharpie might help conceal the color

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I agree Mark, and I didn't get all excited and wet myself trying to get to McMaster today!  Sharpie is what I was thinking of also.  Hey, did you have any remnants of the original stuff in your fan?  The stuff in my fan isn't really rubber, but rather some kind of plastic I think.  It's rectangular, and it's also hollow the entire length.  I'm not even sure it's original, but it sure looks like it was made for this unique application.  Jim

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Loren Haroldson knew some things about William Jandus more so than I.  Eccentric.  The link below opens to some comments on a book Billy Jandus wrote.



https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/pdf/10.1086/212237

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Jim Humphrey wrote: I agree Mark, and I didn't get all excited and wet myself trying to get to McMaster today!  Sharpie is what I was thinking of also.  Hey, did you have any remnants of the original stuff in your fan?  The stuff in my fan isn't really rubber, but rather some kind of plastic I think.  It's rectangular, and it's also hollow the entire length.  I'm not even sure it's original, but it sure looks like it was made for this unique application.  JimFor what it is worth; the stuff I dug out of my 1912 variant was cork. Had a time getting it out. Bent pink with a small hammer did the trick though. :bulleta

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Alex Rushing wrote: Jim Humphrey wrote: I agree Mark, and I didn't get all excited and wet myself trying to get to McMaster today!  Sharpie is what I was thinking of also.  Hey, did you have any remnants of the original stuff in your fan?  The stuff in my fan isn't really rubber, but rather some kind of plastic I think.  It's rectangular, and it's also hollow the entire length.  I'm not even sure it's original, but it sure looks like it was made for this unique application.  JimFor what it is worth; the stuff I dug out of my 1912 variant was cork. Had a time getting it out. Bent pink with a small hammer did the trick though. :bulleta

I also kind of remember it was a cork like substance

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I briefly googled cork sheets and it seems you can buy them in 1/8” thicknesses.  This might be the way to go also

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Does cork come in different density specs or compressibility or whatever?  I'd have to think that it would take some pretty durable cork to work on the bottom of a 20 lb fan and not compress down to almost flush with the top of the groove in a few months or years.  I just saw an auction for a 10" JANDUS and it appears to have the same groove and packing setup as it's big brothers, so JANDUS must have had a thing for this method of keeping the base of their fans from scarring up tables and counters.

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