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 Posted: Tue Oct 20th, 2020 02:57 am
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Alex Rushing
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First, thank you again to Patrick Ray for sending me this interesting canvas to hone current skills on, and to learn/implement new skills on during the process!


Why was it a great canvas? Well, the steel wings were wrinkled badly, the steel cage was broken/missing badge, data plate was missing, and the motor was burned up.


So, usually I'd post a long thread of photos depicting the process, but since one already exists, we'll just do the before and after photos!
Thread including every step and photo of the project.


Thread discusses and gives images of the steps rewinding the stator, making the cage, creative brass blade attachment, and paint work.
A quick shot of the fan before work began.



Broken cage I'll weld up at some point.




Video of fan running after, with Half Wave Rectifier Diode installed, and after motor tag full polished and pinned on. :)




And an earlier video, after assembly, showing the fan running without the diode to slow it down. Still ran smooth as silk, but just to fast to be a practical desk fan.






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Not the correct tag indeed, but works well considering this fan barely resembles a stock 150.


Thank you for looking, and please let me know what you think! :)

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I Love it!

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great job

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Sweet - Get Ted to make a 12 wing Blade for it!!

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Jeff Montgomery wrote: I Love it!Thank you much Jeff! :)

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John Smalley wrote: great jobMany thanks John! :)

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Steven P Dempsey wrote: Sweet - Get Ted to make a 12 wing Blade for it!!Thank you much, Steven! :)
I'm currently less than $100 money put into it. Probably the best I've ever done. An 8" 12 wing would probably be on the "need that money for a 17/19/21/24 6 pole stator" catagory, and then some. :imao
Gonna have to stick with my first cut and rewinged blade on this one. :D

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Lovely job as usual Alex! :D

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Glad you enjoyed doing this build Alex. It turned out spectacular! I was thinking you would do a good clean restoration on this, but you took it to a whole new level and really showed off your skills!

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Patrick Ray wrote: Glad you enjoyed doing this build Alex. It turned out spectacular! I was thinking you would do a good clean restoration on this, but you took it to a whole new level and really showed off your skills!
Thank you for the awesome compliment! :)

The fan needed enough stuff, and there are a lot of steel on steel ones floating about(relative to earlier Menominee fans). The wrinkled blades and broken cage presented a great opportunity to build on the stator rewind experience.
The cage may have been unnecessary, but after the stator I was feeling a bit "pumped" about it. Haha
Why not make a Clam that nobody else has done, or has? Cage was the main part of course, but the blades with salvaged Parker stamps were fun and unique. Felt it appropriate to indicate the brass used for the wings was made around the same time the fan was. The wings were from a poorly welded iron 21648 hub where a blade was burned, wings wrinkled badly, and the assembly nuts/bolted together. I saved the hub and may try repairing it, but the wings went to the materials pile. Strong stock for tiny pizza slices. LOL
The data plate was a fortunate find on Antiquefanparts, and another unique feature.

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Sean Campbell wrote: Lovely job as usual Alex! :DThank you very much, Sean! :)
I gotta blame you for the challenge fan thing! :imao

Admittedly I'm always up for a challenge fan that doesn't cost anything initially. :clap:

Is a great thing, because challenge fans can be a money pit. The Clam was the first time I decided to cut and rewing a hub. I didn't have the stimulus money that helped get a conplete bladeset for the 21646..lol

I have since used two wings to swap onto a 24666 blade with two burned blades from a brazing job. I went back, channeled & welded it as well. Then burned 7 drill bits getting through my weld to pin one wing on.. :violin:
That is when I accidentally burned the 24666 stator up. Left is running hotwired to long to test my two blade work. Blade balances great. Now the start windings are toast. Switch was only a short walk to the house. Gotta sort that out now.  :cry:

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The tag on your Menominee Clamshell is a tag from a Staghorn Oscillator from the looks of it, as the tag from my Staghorn Oscillator is very similar to the tag on your fan, including the serial number and how the voltage was written.
The "O" in the serial Number means that it was an Oscillator fan that the tag originally came from, the AC OR DC with the voltage means its a universal motor fan. 

Just a little heads up.

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Levi Mevis wrote: The tag on your Menominee Clamshell is a tag from a Staghorn Oscillator from the looks of it, as the tag from my Staghorn Oscillator is very similar to the tag on your fan, including the serial number and how the voltage was written.
The "O" in the serial Number means that it was an Oscillator fan that the tag originally came from, the AC OR DC with the voltage means its a universal motor fan. 

Just a little heads up.
Thanks for the heads up, but definitely took care of that issue in the following quote from the photo post(end of first post):
"Not the correct tag indeed, but works well considering this fan barely resembles a stock 150."
:D

I COULD, and would be neat, file the serial # off and punch "Glam Clam" in that spot, or my name. Would be a neat final touch maybe?

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Alex Rushing wrote: Levi Mevis wrote: The tag on your Menominee Clamshell is a tag from a Staghorn Oscillator from the looks of it, as the tag from my Staghorn Oscillator is very similar to the tag on your fan, including the serial number and how the voltage was written.
The "O" in the serial Number means that it was an Oscillator fan that the tag originally came from, the AC OR DC with the voltage means its a universal motor fan. 

Just a little heads up.
Thanks for the heads up, but definitely took care of that issue in the following quote from the photo post(end of first post):
"Not the correct tag indeed, but works well considering this fan barely resembles a stock 150."
:D

I COULD, and would be neat, file the serial # off and punch "Glam Clam" in that spot, or my name. Would be a neat final touch maybe?
Yes, that would be cool, I wouldn't think it would be too hard to do that.  😁

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Levi Mevis wrote: Alex Rushing wrote: Levi Mevis wrote: The tag on your Menominee Clamshell is a tag from a Staghorn Oscillator from the looks of it, as the tag from my Staghorn Oscillator is very similar to the tag on your fan, including the serial number and how the voltage was written.
The "O" in the serial Number means that it was an Oscillator fan that the tag originally came from, the AC OR DC with the voltage means its a universal motor fan. 

Just a little heads up.
Thanks for the heads up, but definitely took care of that issue in the following quote from the photo post(end of first post):
"Not the correct tag indeed, but works well considering this fan barely resembles a stock 150."
:D

I COULD, and would be neat, file the serial # off and punch "Glam Clam" in that spot, or my name. Would be a neat final touch maybe?
Yes, that would be cool, I wouldn't think it would be too hard to do that.  😁

Got it on the "to-do" list for my week off! :)
Thinking about it, should also stop anyone in the future from thinking a model 150 has a similar serial to a staggy.
The Clam parts are so hard to find it is ridiculous. One of the reasons I had to rewind the stator. Guess fans that run so violently fast aren't going to hold up all that well. At least the diode has her tamed a bit. Still oddly fast. The R&M 3500s run like that, but with a better lubrication system and lighter stamped 1-piece blades. I have a Western Electric rebadge of a 3500. Used the same diode in the DC switch position. 2 speed, with the diode really taming that fan.

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Alex Rushing wrote: Levi Mevis wrote: Alex Rushing wrote: Levi Mevis wrote: The tag on your Menominee Clamshell is a tag from a Staghorn Oscillator from the looks of it, as the tag from my Staghorn Oscillator is very similar to the tag on your fan, including the serial number and how the voltage was written.
The "O" in the serial Number means that it was an Oscillator fan that the tag originally came from, the AC OR DC with the voltage means its a universal motor fan. 

Just a little heads up.
Thanks for the heads up, but definitely took care of that issue in the following quote from the photo post(end of first post):
"Not the correct tag indeed, but works well considering this fan barely resembles a stock 150."
:D

I COULD, and would be neat, file the serial # off and punch "Glam Clam" in that spot, or my name. Would be a neat final touch maybe?
Yes, that would be cool, I wouldn't think it would be too hard to do that.  😁

Got it on the "to-do" list for my week off! :)
Thinking about it, should also stop anyone in the future from thinking a model 150 has a similar serial to a staggy.
The Clam parts are so hard to find it is ridiculous. One of the reasons I had to rewind the stator. Guess fans that run so violently fast aren't going to hold up all that well. At least the diode has her tamed a bit. Still oddly fast. The R&M 3500s run like that, but with a better lubrication system and lighter stamped 1-piece blades. I have a Western Electric rebadge of a 3500. Used the same diode in the DC switch position. 2 speed, with the diode really taming that fan.
On my Staghorn I just put a bridge rectifier into it and now it runs on pure 110v DC and it seems to of tamed the speed of it down quite a bit from when it was running on AC because on AC it seemed like it wanted to fly off my desk it ran so fast, but now it seems to run at a more reasonable speed.

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Thanks Levi! May look into a full rectifier. Right now it is using a half wave rectifier diode. Seems to make some commutators run "funky". Not on the Clam, but my Singer 1901(Diehl made) did not like the half wave diode at all. Not that it needs one, as the fully sealed iron motor run cool and at a reasonable speed. Best commutator fan I've ever seen. Motor is sealed, but doesn't even get hot. 1920 or so I believe it was made.

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Alex, can you post a picture of how your Half Wave Rectifier Diode is setup/installed. Thanks.

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Alex Rushing wrote: Thanks Levi! May look into a full rectifier. Right now it is using a half wave rectifier diode. Seems to make some commutators run "funky". Not on the Clam, but my Singer 1901(Diehl made) did not like the half wave diode at all. 
Half wave diode works great for operating and slowing down the brushed universal/DC fan motors 8" and smaller. Unlike the full wave bridge rectifier, the half wave is pulsating DC current.



 

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Good to know Russ. Is the setup the same as a regular rectifier as oppose to a half wave diode rectifier?

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Half wave requires just a single diode in the circuit whereas the full wave requires four to function properly.
I would also try various values of capacitors across the circuit to see how that affects speeds.

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Thanks.

William Dunlap wrote: Half wave requires just a single diode in the circuit whereas the full wave requires four to function properly.
I would also try various values of capacitors across the circuit to see how that affects speeds.

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Top image above full wave rectifier, polarity means jack. Hot and common AC leads connector the middle two. rectified DC output are the two terminals on the outside leading to the switch, or fan motor.

Half rectifier diode is inline on either or common or hot AC line leading to switch or brushed motor.


http://www.afcaforum.com/forum1/38685.html

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Half wave diode in plug. The diode can slow down a 6 inch brush motor fan from 3600 RPM to roughly 2900 RPM.







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Thanks Russ. The inline plug is a good idea.

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The half wave diode works great to replace the nichrome wind in the R&M list 3500 & 3504. Another 8" universal motor fan.










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Dang. Looked at my emails and saw some names replying to my thread that normally don't.Was surprised that y'all liked my Clam so much. Then I came here to read them, and then my assumption was rectified. :imao

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