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 Posted: Wed Dec 23rd, 2020 05:48 am
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Alex Rushing
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GE Whiz - Stationary - 9" - Circa Early 1920s.

Finally got to do one of my personal fans, and a kind FB member sold me this for a fair price:
Before:



Issues: Rough and unattractive paint job, all brass was steel wire wheeled, and motor was burned up.


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Paint used: Rustoleum Advanced Formula Gloss Antique White.


Restoration process photos:


Tapping for new screws to replace stripped ones.



Burned motor and rewinding it:





















Motor test: Excellent



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Sanded badge, cap, and blade to remove wore wheel striations. Then high polished it all.






Stripping, sanding, painting, and readying the parts. Everything painted inside and out.






























My favorite! Assembly day!
Also made up rubber feet with brass acorn capped feet. :D









All done!



Now making sure it runs like it did when I rewound the motor and tested it for hours.




Thanks for checking this one out! I am in love with this color now. :imao


Please let me know what you think!

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That is very nice!!    I did a 06 16" pancake and had it powder coated off white.   I like the white too.   :D
Do you have a link to those rubber bumper feet?

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Very classy

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Nice!!! Love the color... I'll be using this paint.

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 Great detail work. That white looks super with brass!  :up:

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White fans (antique) have grown on me as well

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This paint is not near as professional on this 26646, just OK



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I’ll take one GE Vanilla Ice Cream to go! :imao
In all seriousness, that turned out great. I honestly love the little details like the white switch and plug. Ever since my bright red Peerless, various colors on fans are starting to grow on me.

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Another excellent result Alex.  I like the antique white with the matching switch and plug.  Stunning.  I've seen your brass feet assemblies several times and know you described it somewhere (maybe FB?) but can't remember what all goes into those.  I've got a Whiz I'm working on and think it would be the perfect finish.  Mind sharing a breakdown of all that goes into those?

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Many thanks for the compliments, y'all! :)

Really makes this one feel all the more special!


That antique plug is GE stamped, which I had been saving for an occasion like this one. 


The feet:


The bottom rubber part.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07V1K32NH?ref=ppx_pt2_mob_b_prod_image



A washer above the rubber foot, from this kit of solid brass washers I keep on hand.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B079DBYX9R?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title



The screw head fit snuggly inside the rubber foot, deep enough not to risk scratching a table top. I cut these 1/5" shorter for the iron Whiz bases.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000FN1CHW?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title&th=1

I squeeze one of the uselessly small grommets from this set into(completely within) the hole to keep the assembly centered. You may have to open the hole up with an awl or ice pick to get the 8-32 screw through

 https://www.amazon.com/Fielect-Rubber-Grommet-Assortment-Firewall/dp/B07YYTKCHC/ref=mp_s_a_1_1_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=rubber+grommet+kit&qid=1608745522&sprefix=rubber+grommets


Then another washer from the set, slightly larger than the hole, on top of the base. From the same washer set. You'll essentially use 8 identical washers.


Then cap it off with one of these beauties. I polish them a bit more than they come. Again, solid brass. I buy these in bulk in 8-32 and 10-32. The 8-32 looks awesome to finish off an Emerson switch too!
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B009J2MEJ0?ref=ppx_pt2_mob_b_prod_image



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Thanks

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Wow, FIRST CLASS restoration Alex. I'm going to have to up my game to get to your level. Thanks so much for the pictures which really tell the story well. Nice job! Love the collar and it runs S M O O T H as silk too. Lovely!! 

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David Kilnapp wrote: Wow, FIRST CLASS restoration Alex. I'm going to have to up my game to get to your level. Thanks so much for the pictures which really tell the story well. Nice job! Love the collar and it runs S M O O T H as silk too. Lovely!! 
David,
Many thanks for the compliment! These Whiz fans run so nice when rebuilt for sure. This will be my second Whiz resto, making one loop oscillator and a stationary. The sixth time I've worked on a fan with that particular motor configuration. The single coil snaked in the core is a delight to rewind.

Your restos look awesome! It is a healthy thing to question the work one does. :)

I've been doing a bunch of work for customers(to the point I've already filled every slot for 2021...sheesh), so it was a necessity to be just a bit more thorough than before. I'd be devastated if a customer weren't happy. :dude:

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That's great looking fan, nice job.

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Looks nice!!

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That turned out really sharp Alex! And another successful rewind! There is something about the lighter colors and brass, it's a great color combo.

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Many thanks, gentlemen! :)
About to post a couple more recent restorations. Hopefully they aren't disappointing. :imao

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How many turns did you count with this stator coil? I am thinking of just making a new one for mine as it is brittle junk. Never wound one before. And what magnet wire did you use? 

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Trevor Andersen wrote: How many turns did you count with this stator coil? I am thinking of just making a new one for mine as it is brittle junk. Never wound one before. And what magnet wire did you use? 
640 for the original 29/30AWG. Wasn't able to accurately ascertain the correct gauge. I ended up doing two. One with 600 turns of 30AWG, and one with 800 turns of 28AWG. Only two winding wires bigger than ultra thing stuff I wound the Menominee with.

I used a DVD case to wrap the wire around and slide off, so the size wasn't identical. First 640 wind of 30AWG was off by 20ohm. Needs to be 50-60ohms. So second round I wrapped 800 times and ohmed it at 72ohm, and removed 20 winds at a time, scrap insulation, and check reading. The one in there is 58ohms. Runs 39W on 117V and 0.46A. Runs around 108F, which is less than normal. Sounds like it runs as fast as it should and survived a 24hr torture test.

The beefy, barely got the coil in, 800 turn 28AWG ohmed at 56. Runs 41W and 0.49A. anything around 40W and 0.5A is fine on these 9" brass bladers. The core is reversible too, in case you form the coil in the wrong direction, so no knocking the shades back out.
I wrapped it with cloth friction tape and soaked with electrical varnish. Varnish wasn't completely necessary, but the fan would smell like friction tape otherwise. :imao

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First class job... burned up the motor and all.. well done:hammer:

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Well, that just about does it for me. I'm going to have to move to Alabama and attend the Alex Rushing school of fan restoration! Fantastic skills and artistry!

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David Kilnapp wrote: Well, that just about does it for me. I'm going to have to move to Alabama and attend the Alex Rushing school of fan restoration! Fantastic skills and artistry!Thank you so much for the kind words!
You may already do this, but the secret to my work is simple: Do every fan as if it is the only one you'll have to enjoy. And try harder, or something different each time.
Kind of lame, I know, but seems to work. Haha

And please move to central Alabama. Lame area, but I need local fan buddies! Haha Several members have been kind enough to drive hundreds of miles to pickup, drop off,  visit, and see the work I'm doing!
Heads up, my area is kind of urban and not fun to navigate.  

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I love reading your posts. The pictures are excellent and your descriptions of each step in the restoration most enlightening.

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David Kilnapp wrote: I love reading your posts. The pictures are excellent and your descriptions of each step in the restoration most enlightening.Thank you! It is a joy to do, and my hopes are it will help the fledgeling forum. The FB page gets much more attention, so lots or members do not cross post. Sad really  I'd love to see the forum become an active and positive place for people to look at work and post theirs. I'm still holding out hope! 

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Alex Rushing wrote: Trevor Andersen wrote: How many turns did you count with this stator coil? I am thinking of just making a new one for mine as it is brittle junk. Never wound one before. And what magnet wire did you use? 
640 for the original 29/30AWG. Wasn't able to accurately ascertain the correct gauge. I ended up doing two. One with 600 turns of 30AWG, and one with 800 turns of 28AWG. Only two winding wires bigger than ultra thing stuff I wound the Menominee with.

I used a DVD case to wrap the wire around and slide off, so the size wasn't identical. First 640 wind of 30AWG was off by 20ohm. Needs to be 50-60ohms. So second round I wrapped 800 times and ohmed it at 72ohm, and removed 20 winds at a time, scrap insulation, and check reading. The one in there is 58ohms. Runs 39W on 117V and 0.46A. Runs around 108F, which is less than normal. Sounds like it runs as fast as it should and survived a 24hr torture test.

The beefy, barely got the coil in, 800 turn 28AWG ohmed at 56. Runs 41W and 0.49A. anything around 40W and 0.5A is fine on these 9" brass bladers. The core is reversible too, in case you form the coil in the wrong direction, so no knocking the shades back out.
I wrapped it with cloth friction tape and soaked with electrical varnish. Varnish wasn't completely necessary, but the fan would smell like friction tape otherwise. :imao

Thanks a lot for the info. I guess I will have to take a stab at it. I think we have the same Whiz model here, 236327? My calipers that I finally found showed 26 awg for my wire so hopefully thats close enough because I ordered some yesterday. When I wind the wire how wide do I need to make the coil bunch? I measured the old one at its narrowest part and it was 10mm thick/wide. Or is that not a big deal as long as it fits ok through the stator gaps? 

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Is this another one of those crappy posterior rattle can restorations!!! :imao:imao:imao(You Know what I mean) Those Facebook guys kill me!!

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Mine came down to 600 turns. My calipers show the wire is 0.40 mm so I'm going to give it a go when the wire arrives Tuesday.

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Trevor Andersen wrote: Mine came down to 600 turns. My calipers show the wire is 0.40 mm so I'm going to give it a go when the wire arrives Tuesday.I hope the 26G is right. The 28G had to be cranked to 800 turns. Now, possibly(most likely), because I made the coil snake to short with the DVD case attempts. I do think the original was about 3/4" longer, in hindsight. As long as the coil fits the core, and is configured the right direction, it will work fine.I'm wondering now if different years had changed the wire gauge.
That said, you will want 50-60ohm on the coil when done, so definitely add more turns than needed. Hard to identify a good form, because of the deformed coil when removed.

The 28G coil is this stator. I had originally thought about doing the Whiz in red, but changed my mind after seeing red paint on the base. So the red wrapped(155C rated tape) stator wasn't used, as I don't like red windings in any other color fan except red. I'll eventually pull the snake out and rewrap in friction tape/varnish.




As long as the resistance is good, I think anything thicker than 31G is fine. Just be sure the temperature runs less than 120 after hours running. My rewinds run cooler than my original stators.
I plan on getting a basic winder at some point, but can only buy so much at a time, based off hobby income restoring parts, resto, repair and fabricating pieces for people.
I certainly wouldn't play around if I had to rewind a customer's stator. But, I can afford to experiment on my own fans sometimes.

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Don Tener wrote: Is this another one of those crappy posterior rattle can restorations!!! :imao:imao:imao(You Know what I mean) Those Facebook guys kill me!!
:imao

I still can't believe he thought it would be an insult to call me out for something I mentioned in every post. Using spray paint. Plus, the other 50 members there that use it. :imao

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Thanks for the help. I'll experiment here and see what works. The only loss is copper wire I guess. 

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Trevor Andersen wrote: Thanks for the help. I'll experiment here and see what works. The only loss is copper wire I guess. That is exactly how I thought about it. Only let the OCD out to play when you've gotten the concept and practice squared away. :)I'm still in the refinement stage. Have done a two pole Commutator stator, two Whiz stators, and one shade four pole Emmy. Want to work up to the six pole big Emmy cores I have, and the several pre-1920 four poles.
Having fun with it so far. :D

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So I wrapped my coil. 600 turns of 26 AWG. As you can see my ohm reading is 27. I wish I had written down the ohms of my old stator when I first got the fan. I seem to remember it being in the 20s somewhere. Guess I'll put it together and see if I blow it up.  :clap:

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Trevor Andersen wrote: So I wrapped my coil. 600 turns of 26 AWG. As you can see my ohm reading is 27. I wish I had written down the ohms of my old stator when I first got the fan. I seem to remember it being in the 20s somewhere. Guess I'll put it together and see if I blow it up.  :clap:


My OG Whiz Oscillator and later 10" 42X548 both read 50-60.

Now, we know these aren't absolutely consistent, but your motor is likely to run like a coked up olympian sprinter. I believe the blades on a 9" Whiz can handle the increased speed. I may be wrong, as I am more of an experimenter than an engineer.
And that is one heck of a coil you have! Careful putting it in! Looks very nice though!

I really hope it works out well! I am not familiar with that multimeter, so I am have trouble ascertaining the size. Will it fit around a DVD case?

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Another one "in the can", nice job.

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Richard Daugird wrote: Another one "in the can", nice job.
Thank you kindly, Richard! :)

Have an Emerson 19646 lined up next for the antique white. Jerry was kind enough to let me send the paint for the hub on a new iron hub set! No expense sparred. Been Johnny Cashing the Emmy for months, but had to get my feet wet with the Whiz. :D

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I've shelved this for now. I think the coil was going to work as I energized it briefly without the rotor in and the kill a watt showed it close to specs taking into account no rotor. On reassembly however the bearing carrier fell apart and then when disassembling further the oil cup pulled a chunk of the body out with it somehow. But hey, I think I can wind a stator  coil now. 

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Trevor Andersen wrote: I've shelved this for now. I think the coil was going to work as I energized it briefly without the rotor in and the kill a watt showed it close to specs taking into account no rotor. On reassembly however the bearing carrier fell apart and then when disassembling further the oil cup pulled a chunk of the body out with it somehow. But hey, I think I can wind a stator  coil now. 
So a success! Those Whiz fans are delicate. Here is how I address the crappy bearing carrier nodes.


Use larger washers inside for worse breaks.
Screw through strut and case, then washer and bolt. I drill for larger holes than 6-32. Usually 8-32 in slotted round head in brass.




The chunk missing I think will need a new carrier. Whiteglovesfans sells a brass carrier.
Show below on a 1917 GE AO V1 9", which is the same carrier setup originally as a Whiz. The brass was nice, as no screw/bolt needed. They're pre-drilled.





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Wow good job on the restoration! :up: Hopefully later on this year I’ll have my 1935 Emerson 29646 restored. It’s amazing what these fans look like after they are restored! :bigfan

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Quentin Malzahn wrote: Wow good job on the restoration! :up: Hopefully later on this year I’ll have my 1935 Emerson 29646 restored. It’s amazing what these fans look like after they are restored! :bigfan
Many thanks Quentin! :)
Will be looking forward to seeing your resto thread on the 29646! Can't think of a better fan to restore and enjoy!
I have to do one for a friend and one for myself soon. But, the pre-1920 19646 project, with so much money dumped in it, has to start this weekend.   :hammer:

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