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 Posted: Sun Jan 17th, 2021 02:27 pm
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Victor Tepes
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Hello friends,

I’m restoring a 1939 Emerson 77648 AG oscillating fan.  I have stripped the paint from the blades and gear box (I left the Japanning intact as it was in fairly good condition).  What rattle-can paint, if any, would be the best match for the original paint?

Here are some links to photos of my little fan.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y32/GrowLLLTigeRRR/New%20old%20fan/_57_zpsf4d7676c.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y32/GrowLLLTigeRRR/New%20old%20fan/_571_zps8029c345.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y32/GrowLLLTigeRRR/New%20old%20fan/_573_zpse323f210.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y32/GrowLLLTigeRRR/New%20old%20fan/_572_zps97d0f1c4.jpg

Cheers,
Victor

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 Posted: Sun Jan 17th, 2021 02:54 pm
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The paint on there isn’t japan but looks really good. If you’re going to paint then getting a good surface to start with is key, the prep is at least as important as anything else. You can achieve good results with a spray can, it’s mostly technique and a good paint. Some use an Rustoleum advanced, some their appliance paint. Other preferences but I have good success with advanced following techniques on here. Not going to be the same finish or durability as other processes but sufficient for me. Some really good spray can folks here so I’m sure they can detail it for you much better. 
Here’s a good thread showing results from various brands. https://www.afcaforum.com/view_topic.php?id=58778&forum_id=1&highlight=Spray+Alex+rushing

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 Posted: Sun Jan 17th, 2021 03:49 pm
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Victor Tepes
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Thanks Dave.  

Those examples look really good.  

I knew that the gearbox and blades were not japanned but I really thought the rest of it was.  Thanks for the correction.

In retrospect, I probably shouldn't have removed the paint from the blades but it was in bad shape and I had the notion that polished aluminum would look nice.  After I removed the paint I noticed that, while the tips of the blades would  polish up nicely the bases of the blades (nearest the hub) were oxidized (photo) and I can't seem to remove it I guess painting them may be best.

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 Posted: Mon Jan 18th, 2021 10:59 pm
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Victor Tepes wrote: Thanks Dave.  

Those examples look really good.  

I knew that the gearbox and blades were not japanned but I really thought the rest of it was.  Thanks for the correction.

In retrospect, I probably shouldn't have removed the paint from the blades but it was in bad shape and I had the notion that polished aluminum would look nice.  After I removed the paint I noticed that, while the tips of the blades would  polish up nicely the bases of the blades (nearest the hub) were oxidized (photo) and I can't seem to remove it I guess painting them may be best.
The surface of the Emmy aluminum wings is anodized. Can be sanded off, but takes an insane amount of work and time.
I did this with my 1938 79648-AK and turned out well, but the overlapping wings you have will prove even more troublesome. I think painting is a good option.
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 Posted: Mon Jan 18th, 2021 11:08 pm
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Thanks Alex.  I thought I was going crazy and I'm glad I asked before I did something more aggressive.  I wonder why the anodization doesn't extend to the tips of the blades or perhaps it has worn off there.

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 Posted: Mon Jan 18th, 2021 11:21 pm
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Victor Tepes wrote: Thanks Alex.  I thought I was going crazy and I'm glad I asked before I did something more aggressive.  I wonder why the anodization doesn't extend to the tips of the blades or perhaps it has worn off there.
You nailed it. Just like the paint always gets bad on wingtips, as does an Anodized coating.
Learning about this was spurred on by a similar experience you have. The blades on this fan had corrosion in the wingtips. So, I stripped the paint and decided to polish. Wingtips were easy, as you noted, but the main bulk of the blade wouldn't polish to save my life. Even with black emory compound on a machine 8" polisher.
After thinking about it, I realized anodization started in the 20s, and is super strong. So, started with 120grit paper on a random orbit sander to remove the bulk of the anodized coat, then 320 to prepare the the surface for wheel polishing. Overlapping wings could be done, but seeing as I have so many hours in a non-overlapping 16" blade set, you'll probably go crazy trying to reach a polished state.
I was so put off by the experience, the fan has been electrically and mechanically restored, but haven't felt like tackling it for the main resto yet.
The base was pure rust 2" up, with bad motor paint, so a good resto candidate, stuck in the purgatory of Pre-Resto. O_o


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 Posted: Tue Jan 19th, 2021 01:51 am
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Ohhhh that is VERY nice.  The blades are beautiful.
One odd thing about my blades that I still don't understand is that while three of them are anodized near the hub, one of them polished up nicely from tip to base as if it had not been anodized at all   :wondering:

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 Posted: Tue Jan 19th, 2021 03:48 am
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Victor Tepes wrote: Ohhhh that is VERY nice.  The blades are beautiful.Thanks Victor! :)
Once the fan is restored, I'm hoping the frustration wall is broken! :D

Looking forward to seeing your 77 come together! 

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Whelp, I'm about ready to paint the blades and touch up some of the rest of the fan where the Japanning is chipped. I have two more questions for you guys. I spent a long time polishing these aluminum blades. I want the paint to adhere but it will hurt to scuff the surface. Is there anyway around that at all? I love the photos of the restored fans that Alex and Dave sent. I will be replacing the wiring and I'm wondering where to source a good wiring kit for this Emerson. I really like the gold-colored one I saw in one of the photos!  It may not look as good on my fan though as mine has no brass, just black and the silver cage and badge.

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 Posted: Wed Feb 17th, 2021 09:17 pm
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Hey Victor,
Sorry it has been a bit since replying. Site had been off a bit and I forgot to check this thread again.

I bought the golden bronze colored deluxe kit for that fan.
https://vintagewireandsupply.com/deluxe-antique-fan-restoration-kit/

That was my very first full resto. At the time I didn't have the correct oscillator wheel, and used what was rigged on it. Eventually got a brass bell and stem. Pressed the bell and stem in my gearcase and all was good.


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Very nice indeed!

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