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 Posted: Fri Feb 26th, 2021 05:08 pm
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It was on Marketplace and the picture made it appear as a steel cage.   It's been there a month,  I asked to look at it and when he pulled it out it has brass struts, cage and blade.     Any idea what year this is?
Also,  do you just push grease down in the oscillator box?







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Anthony Lindsey wrote: It was on Marketplace and the picture made it appear as a steel cage.   It's been there a month,  I asked to look at it and when he pulled it out it has brass struts, cage and blade.     Any idea what year this is?
Also,  do you just push grease down in the oscillator box?








Great hodgepodge find! The cage is awesome!

That is a much later motor and base than would be found with the blade/cage/struts. The aluminum motor tag gives it away. I have the same fan, but with the correct blade and cage. Yours is much prettier with the brass!

There is always the chance I am mistaken, so any Diehl experts please chime in!








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I had that same fan in CHrome badged as a "COMMAND AIRE"

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12" Chromed Diehl/ COMMAND AIRE - - I have 3 Green Command Aire fans



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late 20s??

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Alex Rushing wrote: Anthony Lindsey wrote: It was on Marketplace and the picture made it appear as a steel cage.   It's been there a month,  I asked to look at it and when he pulled it out it has brass struts, cage and blade.     Any idea what year this is?
Also,  do you just push grease down in the oscillator box?








Great hodgepodge find! 

There is always the chance I am mistaken.

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So which one is it, Alex? Hodgepodge, or are you mistaken?

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I am not an expert on much of anything, but it looks pretty d amn much authentic to me.  :D

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Russ Huber wrote: So which one is it, Alex? Hodgepodge, or are you mistaken?
Humility is a virtue, Russ.

The other clue to why I threw up the possibility of a retrofit; was the way the blade sets so far out on the rotor shaft. I don't want to pretend I know for certain though. But, from a design standpoint, the blade should not "jut" out with so much shaft exposed. Leaves little mechanism to prevent oil from working it's way out onto the blade.The polished, later Diehl badge is why I wish a Diehl expert would chime in here.

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In any event, the switch assembly, motor and oscillator system are superb. Iron front bell and rear cover/oscillator gearcase. Stator is surrounded with a steel case the iron end bells bolt onto(two hardened steel threaded bolts). The four position oscillator setup is nice as well, and can be used running or off.
Oil cup up front and oil spring/wick plug in back(to clear oscillator). The motor is very powerful and these fans move a ridiculous amount of air.

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Anthony, loosen up the set screw on the blade and push the blade in further and then tighten it up. Hopefully this will make your fan more authentic:D

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based on the setscrew and the flat spot on the shaft the blade does sit way out front.   Is this blade correct?  It has 4 rivets.    This is the first Diehl fan I have seen in person so I have zero knowledge about them.    The Chrome fan Steven posted also has the blade way out front.



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Anthony Lindsey wrote: based on the setscrew and the flat spot on the shaft the blade does sit way out front.   Is this blade correct?  It has 4 rivets.    This is the first Diehl fan I have seen in person so I have zero knowledge about them.    The Chrome fan Steven posted also has the blade way out front.





Anthony, I am not an authority on this fan for authenticity. I do think it looks great, authentic or not. That brass guard and badge is definitely later.  


Something that can be done to seat your blade back further is to calculate a proper cut of your rotor shaft and then notch the shaft for the set screw with a Dremel.  Enjoy your toy.  :D

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Diehl is great for throwing curve balls to throw one off with some of their fan motors.  :D

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Anthony Lindsey wrote: based on the setscrew and the flat spot on the shaft the blade does sit way out front.   Is this blade correct?  It has 4 rivets.    This is the first Diehl fan I have seen in person so I have zero knowledge about them.    The Chrome fan Steven posted also has the blade way out front.




Even the chrome has the hub collar extended into the bell.




But, your second set of photos shows the Cat. No to be H, instead of J(like the steel cage I posted), meaning it is definitely older. How much, I have no idea. Probably not much, as the patent Russ posted was for 1933. Would have been incredible for any manufacturer to produce a 12 s-wire wrapped brass cage in the 1930s.

If someone could identify the blade, that would help. 

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this was funny with the green/brass badge! (And Speed Tag) -the blades were nickel over brass



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Does anyone else own this d amn fan other than Anthony? What say you?  :D

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close as i can get to it tonight

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not sure if it's the same model

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Brice Nagelmaker wrote: not sure if it's the same model






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Does anyone recognize that 4 rivet blade spider? Anyone?  

Those rounded wing tips are characteristic of Diehl. Also another contender would be R&M. I have done a number of scans of images and cannot pin that blade down.

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Any chance it's the same blade design as in the attached thread?  See post 14.  http://www.afcaforum.com/forum2/17088.html

Edit: Of course, now that i've posted this i see the "v" notice is much deeper on the one in this Diehl thread.  Hmmm.

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Dave McManaman wrote: Any chance it's the same blade design as in the attached thread?  See post 14.  http://www.afcaforum.com/forum2/17088.html



3 rivets. Anthony's example is a unique 4 rivet spider finger.










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Anyone have a Diehl with this 12 wire guard and blade? Geoff Dunaway?







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Russ Huber wrote: Dave McManaman wrote: Any chance it's the same blade design as in the attached thread?  See post 14.  http://www.afcaforum.com/forum2/17088.html



3 rivets. Anthony's example is a unique 4 rivet spider finger.








I was talking about the blade in post #14 of the linked thread as it has four rivers on each hub. But the hub is a deeper v in that one which had shown up on a Westy tank. 

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Dave McManaman wrote: Russ Huber wrote: Dave McManaman wrote: Any chance it's the same blade design as in the attached thread?  See post 14.  http://www.afcaforum.com/forum2/17088.html



3 rivets. Anthony's example is a unique 4 rivet spider finger.








I was talking about the blade in post #14 of the linked thread as it has four rivers on each hub. But the hub is a deeper v in that one which had shown up on a Westy tank. 


Sorry. Yes,  Anthony's blade would be more appropriate mounted on a stamp steel version with CW rotation. Anyone?




 



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Cleaned the blade and it has a steel spider that was brass plated



but brass center hub.



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Well Anthony,  based on the number of people not responding, it is starting to look like you may have yourself a gem and yet another weird twist in Diehl fan motor construction history.  :clap: :D

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Yay!!!!    Unique is good.    :D :D

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those are some crude fingers

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There's a Diehl Fan very similar to the OP's fan for sale in one of the local antique malls near me, it has the same cage and blade assembly, except that the blade and cage on the at the antique mall near me is a steel cage and steel blade, and its missing its switch/speed coil assembly in the base and the base cover.



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Levi Mevis wrote: There's a Diehl Fan very similar to the OP's fan for sale in one of the local antique malls near me, it has the same cage and blade assembly, except that the blade and cage on the at the antique mall near me is a steel cage and steel blade, and its missing its switch/speed coil assembly in the base and the base cover.



Thank you for posting that!If you're back there, please take a photo of the data plate!

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Building a crude database for the Cat. 16512.
Type H - Anthony's - Brass Blades and wrapped brass parallel ring twelve wire cage with polished brass badge/painted Diehl.

Type ? - Appears transitional - possibly type I? - steel blades and parallel welded twelve wire cage with painted background badge (material unknown at the moment).

Type J - Alex's - Steel blades and rounded straight ten wire cage with Chrome badge/painted Diehl.



Anthony, does yours have a felt washer, or sign of one in the bell? A felt washer in the bell, or a slinger(tight fitting fiber washer) would fix any problem with oil walking out.

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Alex I don't see either in there.    The oil cup was dry and I cleaned it out and reoiled it and then let the fan run at least an hour the other day.   No oil walking out the shaft.





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Anthony Lindsey wrote: Alex I don't see either in there.    The oil cup was dry and I cleaned it out and reoiled it and then let the fan run at least an hour the other day.   No oil walking out the shaft.






Ahh. Wonder if that type H has a spiral ID bearing? Drawing oil back to the circulation.

My Jandus Wire Mount has GE bearings, and no slinger. I added one, but theoretically if the fan isn't pointed down, may not be an issue.
I apologise for my previous assumptions. It is just unheard of any fan maker to be producing twelve wire wrapped brass cages into the 1930s.
Seems you found a unicorn of a Diehl! Regardless of blade and cage material, can you believe how strong these high amperage shade pole motors are?

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I haven't cracked it open to see the insides,  just observing from outside.
no worries on assumptions.   We actually still don't know where/when the cage is from but I do like it.

While this fan blows a good amount of air I don't think it is producing like your description.   It is actually pretty quiet even on high.   No complaints but I have other fans that "blow"  it away.   lol.

This 6 blade 16" Victor is crazy fast.    I'm actually scared of it.










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Cool Victor!
I just looked. I posted a video of mine. Your brass blades have about 1/2 the pitch of my steel wings. So makes sense. Another point of functional improvement.

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