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| Dayton 367 12in Restoration Complete! What an Ordeal | Rating: 
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| Posted: Sat Feb 27th, 2021 06:18 am |
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Alex Rushing AFCA Member 
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Dayton 12" Model 367 Restoration Complete with custom knuckle assembly. Recently, after seeing a fellow member use a Westinghouse knuckle to restore a Dayton 367, I decided to take the same route. I had already used a Westy pass through bolt to restore a friend's 367 last year, but his had an original knuckle that worked fine with the modified passthrough. Only have to grind, or file in a drill press, the proud end down to fit in the Dayton neck. Then cut the threaded end to length (flush to other side) After testing a Westy knuckle, it was only to discover it didn't allow the fan to function as it would with an original. Problems such as inability to use 2/3 of the sweep settings and the Westinghouse opening being larger than the Dayton neck, creating a wobble. So went on a journey to discover the correct spacing (without an original knuckle in hand) and creating a cap to utilize the smaller opening Dayton bearing. My cap also brings the neck base into the steel Westinghouse passthrough, removing lower stress. And to remove the space difference, I measured and tapped a new set screw to lock the neck on, and simultaneously turn the steel passthrough enough to remove the play in the head. This wasn't an easy resto for me using rudimentary shop equipment, but well worth it after finishing and seeing it function flawlessly, just as the original knuckle 367 I did for a friend functioned. So it began with the Westinghouse pot metal knuckle and steel pass through bolt, which I paid a good bit of money for on brokebay, and my cap is made from billet aluminum. Using all the wrong tools for the job, and with company on the phone from fellow fanner Steve Hankes, I managed to burn a harbor freight paddle bit up, but not before getting the hole exactly the depth needed. That was a 7/8" bit, and the bearing is 9/10", so chucked up a wood rotary file and milled around by eye and test fit occasionally. Finally it pressed in. Marked the hole position and drilled. Then needed to cut the height, and soon discovered my 15+yo 6" metal cut off saw was not really made for cutting aluminum blocks. Motor would start smoking, and stop/blow in compressed air/wait and start again..an hour later I had my slice cut. Had already planned the attachment ahead of time and found the dayton neck was about the same size as a regular sharpie marker. Stuck the marker through the bearing, hole, and knuckle. Then drilled and tapped to screw the Westy oscillator hole as one mount to the block. Then drilled 3 1/16" holes through the block and knuckle. Epoxied the butt ends in after snapping to length. In theory, the Westy knuckle could be used as a Westy knuckle again if I ever found a Dayton knuckle. Drilled for the tilt pin and tried it all out. Afterwards, measured and drilled a hole for the oscillator screw and tapped to 10-32 threads. Mounted the arm, put motor on, screwed in set screw, and attached to farthest sweep position(if that one works, the two closer ones would). To my surprise, it worked perfectly. Even the oscillator arm didn't need any work to function. Assembly tapered and smoothed during restoration using a worn belt on my belt sander. Seriously gotta invest in some better tools. Haha The base, which Steven Dempsey kindly sold me for a song, with a spare motor, oscillator worm plug, and cage, came in handy, as the one I had was missing the plug. I have the original parallel ring cage, with its own badge, if I ever want to change it back. He had bought it on brokebay and it was broken. A real shocker! Spent an hour welding and smoothing the base to the best of my poor welding abilities with the old MIG setup(gasless flux wire), and test hit it with a ball peen hammer in several places and then emulated setting the fan down too hard. Passed with flying colors. Filled in the amateur welding job pores with super glue and sanded the paint off the base and filling smooth. The cage was smashed up pretty bad, and was the slightly later parallel ring cage. Well, cut the wires, broke them out, filed the wires, straightened the cage, and now it is identical to the slightly earlier style. Knowing this, I picked, from the two data plates, one with the earlier serial #, that was very close to the 367 done for a friend and had an original open front cage. The rest of the story can be told with a bunch of photos(surprise...haha) and an HD 4Kvideo. Apologies for the grain in the photos. Going to have to check out the settings on the new phone. Video: Before(photo from Steven):  After:                On the bench, where resto and reworking commences:                                                                                    Last edited on Sat Feb 27th, 2021 06:31 am by Alex Rushing |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 27th, 2021 06:27 am |
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Louis Luu AFCA Member
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You sir...are amazing. For the share amount of work...on that fan...speechless!
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| Posted: Sat Feb 27th, 2021 11:02 am |
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Mel Lagarde AFCA Member 
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Alex Your work is outstanding and appreciate all the photos you took during the extensive restoration. The outcome is beautiful. Impressive and only wish I had 1/3 your talent.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 27th, 2021 12:33 pm |
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Bobby Gaines AFCA Member 
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Very nice! Love it.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 27th, 2021 02:06 pm |
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David Kilnapp AFCA Member
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Alex: I've said it before and I'll say it again, you have taken the art of restoration to a new level. The design of the new knuckle is what makes this work so well. It's a pretty special "franken fan" that has evolved to be a vast improvement over the original design due to your exceptional work. I admire your skill and it drives me to improve my own. Well done!!
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| Posted: Sat Feb 27th, 2021 03:54 pm |
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Vic Valencheck AFCA Member 
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Great job Alex, you do awesome restorations! I also restored a 367. The base was broken in shipment and the pivot was beyond repair. Luckily I found another base and pivot in good condition. What fun is that huh? Haha
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| Posted: Sat Feb 27th, 2021 09:06 pm |
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Tony Clayton AFCA Member 
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Alex, I am speechless. My hat off to the new Macgyver! Absolutely Stunning and Amazing.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 27th, 2021 11:12 pm |
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Steven P Dempsey AFCA Member 
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OK, I'd like my fan back now . . .
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| Posted: Sun Feb 28th, 2021 09:11 am |
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Alex Rushing AFCA Member
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Louis Luu wrote: You sir...are amazing. For the share amount of work...on that fan...speechless!Thank you much for the compliment, Louis!
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| Posted: Sun Feb 28th, 2021 09:13 am |
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Alex Rushing AFCA Member
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Mel Lagarde wrote: AlexThank you kindly for the gracious comment, Mel! Always hoping the photos will help someone else one day. I'm sure I miss some stuff, but will streamline the photo process at some point. Less photos, but more more pertinent ones.
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| Posted: Sun Feb 28th, 2021 09:13 am |
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Alex Rushing AFCA Member
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Bobby Gaines wrote: Very nice! Love it.Many thanks, Bobby!
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| Posted: Sun Feb 28th, 2021 09:17 am |
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Alex Rushing AFCA Member
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David Kilnapp wrote: Alex: I've said it before and I'll say it again, you have taken the art of restoration to a new level. The design of the new knuckle is what makes this work so well. It's a pretty special "franken fan" that has evolved to be a vast improvement over the original design due to your exceptional work. I admire your skill and it drives me to improve my own. Well done!! Thank you so much for the gracious reply, David! It has been amazing seeing both of us, as well as many others, saving these old beauties, and trying a little harder each project. Always room for improvement without stretching the process out too far. I still maintain one fan per week on average. However, that includes preservation work, which I find therapeutic after restos such as the Dayton.
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| Posted: Sun Feb 28th, 2021 09:20 am |
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Alex Rushing AFCA Member
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Vic Valencheck wrote: Great job Alex, you do awesome restorations! I also restored a 367. The base was broken in shipment and the pivot was beyond repair. Luckily I found another base and pivot in good condition. What fun is that huh? Haha Many thanks, Vic! Seems these bases are quite weak at the switch slot, as well as the infamous knuckles. I must admit, I would probably have gone the same direction if finances permitted. However, I am on a pretty tight budget at the moment. Nearly have my CC paid off. Which is great, as I am nearly out of everything needed to do restos. I just used the last of my varnish on an Emmy CF I'm doing for my bedroom. Have been cleaning with 91% rubbing alcohol the last three restos after running out of acetone. I've been known to be tenacious and resourceful. Can usually find a workaround, unless it is sanding and paint related.
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| Posted: Sun Feb 28th, 2021 09:24 am |
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Alex Rushing AFCA Member
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Tony Clayton wrote: Alex, As always, thank you very much, my friend! I forgot to mention I used your Westinghouse three line headwire for this one with the neck curl like it came with. It might seem a bit thin for the fan, but alas the original headwire I pulled out was identical in braid and OD. 
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| Posted: Sun Feb 28th, 2021 09:28 am |
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Alex Rushing AFCA Member
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Steven P Dempsey wrote: OK, I'd like my fan back now . . . Over my dead Dayton.  Thanks for the compliment, Steven! Was a truly arduous, but fruitful project for sure. Makes this Emerson CF look like a piece of cake.   
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| Posted: Mon Mar 1st, 2021 02:19 am |
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Patrick Ray AFCA Member 
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You are truly a craftsman Alex! Your amazing skills never cease to blow me away! I'm looking forward to seeing that Emerson CF all done up! Roundnose? Wish I had taller ceilings in my house, I love those ceiling fans.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 1st, 2021 04:54 am |
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Levi Mevis AFCA Member 
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I was noticing in the video of your fan that when your fan blew into your camera it blanked out the video... Any ideas as to why that would happen?  
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| Posted: Mon Mar 1st, 2021 06:00 am |
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David A Cherry AFCA Member 
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First class job... Looks like you might be my competition.. Oh well there’s plenty of room ...welcome to the party
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| Posted: Mon Mar 1st, 2021 06:41 am |
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Alex Rushing AFCA Member
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Patrick Ray wrote: You are truly a craftsman Alex! Your amazing skills never cease to blow me away! I'm looking forward to seeing that Emerson CF all done up! Roundnose? Wish I had taller ceilings in my house, I love those ceiling fans.Many many thanks for the awesome reply, my friend!I am not familiar with CFs, but it is a model 86641. A 36" I believe, with all cast iron motor parts and stamped blade irons. I have shorter ceilings as well, but this one I'm gonna get as close to the ceiling as possible. Have a Deco period glass for it as well that doesn't drop too low. Over the desk right now, but has the same lip as the CF fitter.  
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| Posted: Mon Mar 1st, 2021 07:04 am |
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Alex Rushing AFCA Member
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Levi Mevis wrote: I was noticing in the video of your fan that when your fan blew into your camera it blanked out the video... Any ideas as to why that would happen?That is the reflectivity of the blades increasing lumens momentarily and causing the camera to adjust accordingly. Once the brass reflection sweeps by, lumen levels return to normal.As mentioned, I bought a new phone when my last one got a piece of wire wheel stuck and poked the speaker out. Luckily I had a square trade policy and they paid me a check for enough to get an updated phone! Knowing the video seems a bit funny, I just shot a different handheld angle, complete with hardcore oscillator action. Here we go. Last edited on Mon Mar 1st, 2021 07:13 am by Alex Rushing |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 1st, 2021 07:08 am |
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Alex Rushing AFCA Member
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David A Cherry wrote: First class job... Looks like you might be my competition.. Oh well there’s plenty of room ...welcome to the partyMany thanks, David! Will surely have to take that as a compliment! The way I see it: The more of us trying hard to make these fans ready for a few more generations, the better! A little competition is fun for sure, but that is tertiary to my main two objectives. Make em ready, and make em pretty.  Last edited on Mon Mar 1st, 2021 07:08 am by Alex Rushing |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 1st, 2021 03:17 pm |
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Sean Campbell AFCA Member 
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It’s nothing that hasn’t been said before, but you did a beautiful job on that Alex. It really is a shame those neck pieces are so weak: I have a feeling an easy fix would find those fans much higher in popularity.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 1st, 2021 04:28 pm |
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Alex Rushing AFCA Member
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Sean Campbell wrote: It’s nothing that hasn’t been said before, but you did a beautiful job on that Alex. It really is a shame those neck pieces are so weak: I have a feeling an easy fix would find those fans much higher in popularity.Thank you very much, Sean! Couldn't agree more. The fans have EVERYTHING right going on(aside from a weakened base on some), except that. Shame really, as their iron motor and gearcase, iron base, and very strong cages make them superior to the similar, but different, Westy configuration. Of course, those have the neck pin achilles heel. They just made about 100 SS Westys per one 367, by guesstimation. And who doesn't love deep pitched pizza slice wings and above average amperage draw? Haha Edit: And they're phenomenally easy to work on relative to Westy fans. Though, between my two motors(of which I picked the one with the better bearings); one pulled out by hand in a perfectly machined size fashion. Another, possibly from grease buildup, took 20 pipe whacks to drop. A run around on the belt sander made it slip right back in. Last edited on Mon Mar 1st, 2021 04:31 pm by Alex Rushing |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 1st, 2021 06:31 pm |
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Levi Mevis AFCA Member
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Alex Rushing wrote: Levi Mevis wrote:Ok, I wasn't sure because I never saw that type of artifact before.I was noticing in the video of your fan that when your fan blew into your camera it blanked out the video... Any ideas as to why that would happen?That is the reflectivity of the blades increasing lumens momentarily and causing the camera to adjust accordingly. Once the brass reflection sweeps by, lumen levels return to normal.As mentioned, I bought a new phone when my last one got a piece of wire wheel stuck and poked the speaker out. Luckily I had a square trade policy and they paid me a check for enough to get an updated phone! 
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| Posted: Tue Mar 2nd, 2021 07:54 am |
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Alex Rushing AFCA Member
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Indeed Levi, Still getting acquainted with the new phone and the 4KUHD stuff. I wish it had an easy way to turn off exposure control. I have not found the option yet, jut have admittedly not tried very hard yet. Haha
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