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 Posted: Sat Apr 3rd, 2021 02:37 am
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Reese Pero
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Starting the restore on my WHIRL-WIND Pedestal Fan (est.1946) with a FASCO motor.  The cord was cut at the housing and only one wire inside the housing was connected to the switch (1, 2, and L settings).  Looking for a schematic (pictures are great:-)) of what the wiring should look like.  Appreciate any feedback provided.











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 Posted: Sun Apr 4th, 2021 06:15 pm
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This page is on our website under FAQ's, John McComas wiring diagrams:

http://www.fancollectors.org/info/mccomas/Page3.html

Happy Fanning!

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Thanks John.  
I did not see one specific to my motor, but will reference the "Generic 3 speed" on page 3 (seems like the right one).  The wiring on mine was pretty messed up so not sure that what was there was original or correct....what makes me think this is that the wiring diagram notes a connection to the center of the coil for MED speed, but mine only has connections on each end (in and out).  I assume to add the connection for MED I can just punch a hole in the covering and solder a wire direct (anyone who can confirm my approach or let me know if I am gonna screw it up)?

Also, anyone know where I can get a new or used switch for this?

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On yours, it is a two speed. One switch position (2 might be on the switch back) is low, direct to power.  The other position (1) directs power to the motor directly. Line in(L - black wire) is a power in lead.

The power and motor polarity isn't important, as this is a an AC configuration without a polarized plug.

On the page John posted, the "2-speed wiring circuit" applies to yours.

Hopefully that is the original switch. If someone replaced it with a lamp switch(3 position), then (1) must be low, and (2) must be high. That would make the third on position high again. If it is wired the other way, you'll get high, low, high, off. Not a big deal, but hopefully you can find the correct switch replacement. Otherwise, a three position turn switch for lamps would suffice until a proper switch is procured(this only applies to two speed setups - won't work on 3 speed fans).




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Does the switch only have 3 detents or 4?

Edit: Alex beat me to it. Your fan might only be 2 speed, not 3.

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This is the switch I used on my Whirl Wind.

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Reese Pero
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Awesome - thanks for all the quick replies.  
Alex - Really appreciate diagram highlight - I guess I need to disregard the legend on the motor it's see that notes "High (black)- Medium (red)- Low (green)".  

Stan - did you buy locally or online, if online can you share where?


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I also need to replace the power cord - will any 2 prong cord work?

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You can buy those Carling switches locally at Grainger or eBay has lots of them. My Ace Hardware used to sell them, but haven’t had them lately. As for the cord, I buy a 10’ extension cord & cut the female end off. The conductor with the ribs goes to the motor, the other to the switch. That way you have a polarized plug.

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Reese Pero wrote: Awesome - thanks for all the quick replies.  
Alex - Really appreciate diagram highlight - I guess I need to disregard the legend on the motor it's see that notes "High (black)- Medium (red)- Low (green)".  

Stan - did you buy locally or online, if online can you share where?



No problem, man. My guess is the company used the same motor case for two and three wire motors.

Hopefully you'll get a switch soon, that Stan posted!

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Alex -  Thx for your feedback.
I am still not sure if this is a 2 or 3 speed as I just took a look at the switch selector plate that came off (which looks original) and it shows HI-MED-LOW same at the motor housing notes.

Not sure what to think here, maybe some one replaced the coil at some point?

Is it possible to just solder a wire on for MED?



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Reese Pero wrote: Alex -  Thx for your feedback.
I am still not sure if this is a 2 or 3 speed as I just took a look at the switch selector plate that came off (which looks original) and it shows HI-MED-LOW same at the motor housing notes.

Not sure what to think here, maybe some one replaced the coil at some point?

Is it possible to just solder a wire on for MED?




That is so odd!

Hypothetically, you could try and find the middle of the choke there. Maybe a replacement is what someone did?

The switch you pictured is definitely a two speed, so someone changed it up.

Careful when scratching the insulation off the middle choke winding. Where you can varnish back over the area and try somewhere else. Whatever the two taps on that choke show, you'll want somewhere around half the OHMs.

You'll need a 4 position switch for fans now. I know ceiling fan pull chains are easy to find, but turn switch not so much.

This seems like it would do the trick.
https://www.amazon.com/HQRP-4-Position-3-Speed-120V-250V-Selector/dp/B071XWB3LB/ref=asc_df_B071XWB3LB/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=241966292090&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1423927058501641625&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9012824&hvtargid=pla-489014715977&psc=1

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 Posted: Wed Apr 7th, 2021 09:49 pm
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Believe it or not, Wal-Mart will ship you one for $6.36

Search:  "4 position rotary switch"

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 Posted: Thu Apr 8th, 2021 08:28 pm
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New cord and switch - back together and working (H-L-H-O).  I know it works now at least....


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