AFCA Forums Home
Home Search search Menu menu Not logged in - Login | Register

 Moderated by: Steve Cunningham, Stan Adams, Rod Rogers Page:  First Page Previous Page  1  2   
New Topic Reply Printer Friendly
Pancake cages  Rate Topic 
AuthorPost
 Posted: Fri May 7th, 2010 04:13 pm
  PMQuoteReply
41st Post
Chuck Abernathy
AFCA Member


Joined: Mon Nov 21st, 2005
Location: Montgomery, Texas USA
Status: 
Offline
Precious pups, guys! If we didn't travel so much for grandbaby "fixes", we'd have another one! One day, perhaps!

Blessings All! Chuck

Back To Top PMQuoteReply  

 Posted: Wed Jun 9th, 2010 01:46 am
  PMQuoteReply
42nd Post
Doug Wendel
AFCA Member
 

Joined: Tue Nov 15th, 2005
Location:  
Status: 
Offline
Love this thread -  I've been needing a 1899 guard for years, and have been collecting pictures from eBay and elsewhere when I see them.  I don't have an actual 1899 wrapped guard, so I'd like confirmation of another possible difference between guards.

Here is a pic of a 1899 guard -- wrapped s-wires on rear ring, small diameter rear ring, doughnut hole center piece with clip-on badge.

One additional difference I THINK I see is that the front ring doesn't have the 10 little indentations where the s-wires wrap 180 degrees around and contine to the back wring. See the pic.  It looks like the front ring is a plain circle with no indents.  As a result the s-wires stick out more forward of the ring than most guards (with indents).

All of the later, pinned guards I've seen have the indentations on the front ring.

I'd be oblidged if those of you with original 1899 GE wrapped guards (Steve Stephans?) would check on this for me and report back.  I'm getting ready to order up a repro, and want to make sure I have all the details correct.  Thanks.:D

Attached Image (viewed 396 times):

IMG_2095[1].jpg

Last edited on Wed Jun 9th, 2010 01:51 am by Doug Wendel

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Wed Jun 9th, 2010 01:47 am
  PMQuoteReply
43rd Post
Doug Wendel
AFCA Member
 

Joined: Tue Nov 15th, 2005
Location:  
Status: 
Offline
another pic

Attached Image (viewed 392 times):

IMG_2094[1].jpg

Back To Top PMQuoteReply  

 Posted: Wed Jun 9th, 2010 01:48 am
  PMQuoteReply
44th Post
Doug Wendel
AFCA Member
 

Joined: Tue Nov 15th, 2005
Location:  
Status: 
Offline
a

Attached Image (viewed 404 times):

gefan.jpg

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Wed Jun 9th, 2010 01:48 am
  PMQuoteReply
45th Post
Doug Wendel
AFCA Member
 

Joined: Tue Nov 15th, 2005
Location:  
Status: 
Offline
another fan

Attached Image (viewed 392 times):

l1103077.jpg

Back To Top PMQuoteReply  

 Posted: Wed Jun 9th, 2010 01:59 am
  PMQuoteReply
46th Post
Rick Hoener
AFCA Member


Joined: Wed Jun 11th, 2008
Location: Quincy, Illinois USA
Status: 
Offline
Doug, all 3 of my 99 cakes do not have indents in the front ring.

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Wed Jun 9th, 2010 02:14 am
  PMQuoteReply
47th Post
Steve Stephens
AFCA Member


Joined: Mon Nov 14th, 2005
Location: San Anselmo, California USA
Status: 
Offline
Doug, neither do all three of my '99 cakes nor my three '00 cakes. You've got the right thoughts about the '99 cage and the only differences between the '99 and '00 is that the later has a thicker back ring than the '99.

Up through 1900 GE did not indent the front ring at the S-wire wrap but just soldered the wrap to the ring. Starting in 1901 the front ring was indented which did not require solder to keep the S-wire wrap from slipping sideways on the front ring.

Early '99 cages seem to have the small open ring and I have seen a good number of them show up but have never seen a 1900 with the open ring so I assume that the open ring was not a case of the badge falling off and uncovering the open ring. Both the '99 and '00 badges are identical and held on the same way. I bet GE did not have their badges ready in time to install on the earlier '99 cages. And, of course, starting in 1901 the rear ring was pierced and no longer wrapped.

Steve C. posted above that the 1901 rear ring was shows as being wrapped in his catalog but catalogs are notorious for using older illustrations. A catalog might be printed very early in the yearly production run when all aspects of a product may not have been settled on or the art department didn't feel it was necessary to make up new illustrations with minor changes for a catalog meant for dealers and not for collectors of the future.

You have a nice looking pancake there Doug (or is it just a photo you have collected?) and I see it has the same stress cracking on the motor band as does mine. Please post some new photos when you get your cage made. I think you may need different struts also to fit the smaller rear ring on a '99 style cage. Looks like you have a 1900 cage on the fan pictured. Might that be original if the fan was made late in the year?

Last edited on Wed Jun 9th, 2010 02:18 am by Steve Stephens

Back To Top PMQuoteReply  

 Posted: Wed Jun 9th, 2010 04:13 am
  PMQuoteReply
48th Post
Erich Martin
Guest


Joined: Mon Aug 18th, 2008
Location: Westside, California USA
Status: 
Offline
1907 -1908 12" cakes, how can you tell one from another??

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Wed Jun 9th, 2010 02:20 pm
  PMQuoteReply
49th Post
Kim Frank
AFCA Member


Joined: Tue Nov 15th, 2005
Location: Whitestown, USA
Status: 
Offline
Physically, there isn't a difference. GE survey uses serial numbers after 1904.

Attached Image (viewed 362 times):

100_6750.JPG

Back To Top PMQuoteReply  

 Posted: Wed Jun 9th, 2010 03:13 pm
  PMQuoteReply
50th Post
Ron Powell
Guest


Joined: Thu Mar 6th, 2008
Location: Fruitvale, Texas USA
Status: 
Offline
Kim, Whats with the FUNKY plug dangling off that Fan?  Do you need me to send you one more appropriate?
All that work to make that fan Beautiful and you stick something like that on it, you should be ashamed of yourself. :hammer:

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Wed Jun 9th, 2010 04:08 pm
  PMQuoteReply
51st Post
Kim Frank
AFCA Member


Joined: Tue Nov 15th, 2005
Location: Whitestown, USA
Status: 
Offline
 That's that pair of '08's. The plug does look like crap though. I guess I ought to slap an oldie on there and get rid of those terminals too. I'm a bit numb at the moment. Just found out 'Ol Plug likes Emerson fans. The horror..........

Attached Image (viewed 349 times):

100_6260.JPG

Back To Top PMQuoteReply  

 Posted: Wed Jun 9th, 2010 04:12 pm
  PMQuoteReply
52nd Post
Ron Powell
Guest


Joined: Thu Mar 6th, 2008
Location: Fruitvale, Texas USA
Status: 
Offline
He doesn't look like he'd like anything he couldn't eat.

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Wed Jun 9th, 2010 05:19 pm
  PMQuoteReply
53rd Post
Doug Wendel
AFCA Member
 

Joined: Tue Nov 15th, 2005
Location:  
Status: 
Offline
Not my fan - just some harvested pics from the interwebs of fans with guard I need.  My '99 is a CGE and is fully restored with a good motor tag, but alas, no guard.

Thanks so much for confirming this detail.

Last edited on Wed Jun 9th, 2010 05:19 pm by Doug Wendel

Back To Top PMQuoteReply  

 Posted: Wed Jun 9th, 2010 07:48 pm
  PMQuoteReply
54th Post
Kim Frank
AFCA Member


Joined: Tue Nov 15th, 2005
Location: Whitestown, USA
Status: 
Offline
Badge would look like this probably....this is a clip on badge that fits over the GE badge on a 1906 CGE

Attached Image (viewed 328 times):

100_6117.JPG

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Wed Jun 9th, 2010 10:05 pm
  PMQuoteReply
55th Post
Doug Wendel
AFCA Member
 

Joined: Tue Nov 15th, 2005
Location:  
Status: 
Offline
I saw that pic of your CGE badge.  Nice.  I'm just planning to go badgeless, as it would be difficult/expensive to find a CGE badge.  I think the very simple, smooth, circular lines (unique to the '99 'cakes) look really good without badges anyway, and show off cast hub.

Back To Top PMQuoteReply  

 Posted: Wed Sep 15th, 2021 03:24 pm
  PMQuoteReply
56th Post
Daniel OToole
AFCA Member
 

Joined: Mon Jun 3rd, 2013
Location: RED OAK, Texas USA
Status: 
Offline
What about 1/2 ribbed,?

Back To Top PMQuoteReply

 Posted: Sun Sep 19th, 2021 09:03 pm
  PMQuoteReply
57th Post
Kim Frank
AFCA Member


Joined: Tue Nov 15th, 2005
Location: Whitestown, USA
Status: 
Offline
Entries to the GE survey on pancakes show that around 20-25% of the fans after 1903 have wrapped cages. Those are the eight wire cages. It's pretty much understood that 1896 and 1897 12" cages are open front ring guards w/ rear ring soldered to struts. 1898 12 inch cages use integrated struts. 1899 cages are wrapped rear ring with the earlier cages not having badges(GE logo was intro'd sometime in '99) and 1900 cages are wrapped also. Difference in those two is the '99 cage uses the same thickness of brass for both the front and rear ring, whereas the 1900 cage has a thicker rear ring than the front ring brass. Cages are pierced after 1900 up thru 1903....

Back To Top PMQuoteReply  

Current time is 05:10 pm Page:  First Page Previous Page  1  2     
AFCA Forums > Antique Fan Collectors Association > Pre-1950 (Antique) > Pancake cages Top



Beige Theme By: Di @ UltraBB
UltraBB 1.17 Copyright © 2007-2008 Data 1 Systems
Page processed in 0.1212 seconds (45% database + 55% PHP). 29 queries executed.