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| Posted: Fri Aug 28th, 2015 08:30 am |
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Russ Huber AFCA Member 
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Bill Hoehn wrote: A simple question..
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| Posted: Sat Aug 29th, 2015 06:46 pm |
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Bill Hoehn AFCA Member 
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Russ, In regards to your thread---The 91 Emerson Cone Meston. The cone Meston was made in 1891 (No. 2001) in 52 volts only and worded PATENT APPLIED FOR. In 1892 it was also made in 104 volts (No. 2002) and worded 1/8 HORSE POWER. Both are referred to as "The Meston Alternating Fan Motor" and pictured with the CCW rotating blades with the brass hubs. The first tripod Meston was introduced in 1893 as the "1893 MODEL" and I believe I've listed their improvements for 1893 including the cast iron hub on the CW rotating blades, along with "EXTERNAL APPEARANCE AND GENERAL CONSTRUCTION, OUR REGULATING AND REVERSING DEVICE, THE ARMATURE, THE COMMUTATOR, THE BRUSHES AND BRUSH HOLDERS, SELF-OILING BEARINGS and THE FAN" (referring to what we now call the blade. I'm still unable to post pictures on this website. I guess that's one way to try to get rid of me, but it just makes my job easier, without stopping to post pictures, which are sometimes in error anyway. :-) Last edited on Sat Aug 29th, 2015 06:58 pm by Bill Hoehn |
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| Posted: Sat Aug 29th, 2015 07:01 pm |
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George Durbin AFCA Member 
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Bill Hoehn wrote: Russ, Hi Bill! Next time I stop by... I will show you how I post pictures and how to post them to proper orientation! I think the forum would miss us Bill! Don't you!?? ; ) Geo...
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| Posted: Sat Aug 29th, 2015 07:25 pm |
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Bill Hoehn AFCA Member
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George, I think that would require me joining the telephone age and I'm not ready for that yet! (-: I'll have to think awhile before I answer your question. That's long enough--- I think there are some who would be glad to see us gone! (-: Last edited on Sun Aug 30th, 2015 01:34 am by Bill Hoehn |
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| Posted: Sat Aug 29th, 2015 07:30 pm |
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George Durbin AFCA Member
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Bill Hoehn wrote: George, Hahah Bill!! We are like scotch-guard! We can't be stained and all the bad vibes beads right off! ;) Geo...
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| Posted: Sun Aug 30th, 2015 04:36 pm |
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David Hoatson Guest 
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Bill Hoehn wrote: I think that would require me joining the telephone age and I'm not ready for that yet! (-: Attached Image (viewed 1209 times):
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| Posted: Sun Aug 30th, 2015 04:47 pm |
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Bill Hoehn AFCA Member
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-. --- -... --- -.. -.-- .---- That's more like it. Good old Morse. Last edited on Sun Aug 30th, 2015 05:05 pm by Bill Hoehn |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 30th, 2015 05:01 pm |
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Charlie Forster Guest 
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Bill Put your pictures in your document file then when you post you go to the bottom and browse till you find what you want to post and then open it
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| Posted: Sun Aug 30th, 2015 05:08 pm |
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Bill Hoehn AFCA Member
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That worked in the past.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 30th, 2015 08:32 pm |
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Charlie Forster Guest
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Look like it still works here. Iuse linux operating system. Attached Image (viewed 1214 times):
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| Posted: Sun Aug 30th, 2015 08:49 pm |
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Bill Hoehn AFCA Member
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Charlie, My problem, at the moment, is that my computer will not accept my memory sticks from any of my cameras. Suggestions?
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| Posted: Sun Aug 30th, 2015 09:12 pm |
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Jim Kovar AFCA Member 
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Bill Hoehn wrote: ...my computer will not accept my memory sticks from any of my cameras. Suggestions? Attached Image (viewed 1224 times): Last edited on Sun Aug 30th, 2015 09:17 pm by Jim Kovar |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 30th, 2015 09:16 pm |
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Steve Cunningham Administrator 
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You can buy one of those memory card readers like Jim posted. My laptop reader broke too. Most cameras now have a cable that plugs into the camera and computer. Then the camera memory shows up as another memory drive. Option B is you can take the card to any drug store, Sam's, WalMart, etc., and they can put the images on a disc for you.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 31st, 2015 02:23 am |
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John Trier AFCA Member 
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Steve Cunningham wrote: You can buy one of those memory card readers like Jim posted. My laptop reader broke too. Most cameras now have a cable that plugs into the camera and computer. Then the camera memory shows up as another memory drive. Option B is you can take the card to any drug store, Sam's, WalMart, etc., and they can put the images on a disc for you. My camera guru made me buy the card reader vs. a cable to the new camera we bought. He said it was so much faster. He was right and I love it. Very fast and esp. since pixels are so high these days.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 31st, 2015 03:22 am |
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Bill Hoehn AFCA Member
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Jim, Steve and John, Thanks for the help. With that, and my son back from vacation, I'm sure it'll be fixed soon.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 1st, 2015 12:55 am |
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Russ Huber AFCA Member
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Bill Hoehn wrote: Russ, In regards to your thread---The 91 Emerson Cone Meston. The Electrical Appliance Company in 1892 secured the AGENCY for the Meston Alternating Current Fan Motor(singular, not plural fan motors). It is stated in the May of 92 article "THE MOTOR HAS BEEN VERY MUCH IMPROVED OVER LAST YEARS MODEL". It also goes on to state ...."SOME OF ITS SPECIAL FEATURES ARE REGULATION OF SPEED AT WILL". Attached Image (viewed 1125 times):
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| Posted: Tue Sep 1st, 2015 12:58 am |
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Russ Huber AFCA Member
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| Posted: Tue Sep 1st, 2015 12:58 am |
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Russ Huber AFCA Member
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| Posted: Tue Sep 1st, 2015 12:59 am |
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Russ Huber AFCA Member
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| Posted: Tue Sep 1st, 2015 01:00 am |
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Russ Huber AFCA Member
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| Posted: Tue Sep 1st, 2015 01:12 am |
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Russ Huber AFCA Member
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The Meston fan motors No. 2001 and 2002 in the 92 Emerson catalogue are not mentioned in any way, shape, or form in any of the electrical trade journals of 1892. Why would Emerson take on the chaos of building 3 different fan motors by hand for the season of 92 when they had one fan motor on a tripod with speed regulation. The models 2001 and 2002 in the 92 Emerson catalogue had no speed regulation.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 1st, 2015 04:07 am |
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Bill Hoehn AFCA Member
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Hi Russ, I replied once and lost it so I'll try again. I'm sure Emerson started production of the new 1893 model tripod based Meston in 1892. They use the same cut that you show in your preview of May 1892, plus a rear view by the same artist W-S. in the 1893 catalog. The 1893 catalog is very detailed and has four full pages of description of their new tripod with the speed control, the new hub and many other changes. I also don't think it unusual to make the two versions of the cone base and one of the new tripod in the same calendar year. They had to stop the one and start the other some unknown date or dates. Do you have any references in your literature of 1891 about the first year of production and pamphlets describing the first model---2001? I picked up the 42-in-1 Multi-Card Reader/ Writer, but still can't post pictures because I don't know how to use it. Last edited on Tue Sep 1st, 2015 04:12 am by Bill Hoehn |
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| Posted: Tue Sep 1st, 2015 04:30 am |
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Bill Hoehn AFCA Member
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Incidentally, thinking back the past 60 plus years, I believe every new car, appliance and other purchase has been dated a year ahead. It used to be a really big deal in the fall when all of the car dealers showed and sold "next years models". I wonder if they did the same thing with fans, even though the catalogs are usually dated Jan. 1st of each year. Maybe someone older than I can remember. How about that George? :-)
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| Posted: Tue Sep 1st, 2015 04:32 am |
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Russ Huber AFCA Member
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Bill Hoehn wrote: Hi Russ, Bill, the Electrical Appliance Co. Chicago was Emerson's cats meow agency in 92 and for years to come. Please pay attention to the detail in the May of 92 article below. The Electrical appliance Co. agency starts off stating it is GEARING UP for fan motor season. Emerson is the hot topic in the article. The ONLY focus from Electrical Appliance is on Emerson's AC Meston fan Motor(singular) with variable speed. I can't find anything to support Emerson placing the single speed Meston models 2001-2002 on the market for 91 or 92. It would not be logical. Sorry. Attached Image (viewed 1102 times): Last edited on Tue Sep 1st, 2015 04:33 am by Russ Huber |
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| Posted: Tue Sep 1st, 2015 04:34 am |
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Russ Huber AFCA Member
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This is a 93 Meston on the test bench. Attached Image (viewed 1183 times):
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| Posted: Tue Sep 1st, 2015 06:57 am |
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Bill Hoehn AFCA Member
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Russ, I gave you the 1892 Emerson catalog with page 60 showing the picture of the 1891 cone based Meston and the simple statement and proof that you now deny, or am I missing something? The quote from the 1892 catalog that you have; " The unparalleled sale of these motors during the season of 1891 is perhaps the best proof of their merits. They are now improved and perfected and we guarantee them in every respect." I can't imagine simpler proof!
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| Posted: Tue Sep 1st, 2015 07:32 am |
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Russ Huber AFCA Member
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Bill Hoehn wrote: Russ, Bill, the 1891 Meston fan motor had NO specified model number advertised to the best of knowledge so far. Here is its introduction to the market in 91. Attached Image (viewed 1047 times):
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| Posted: Tue Sep 1st, 2015 07:34 am |
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Russ Huber AFCA Member
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Here is the 91 Meston fan motor advertised in June of 91. Attached Image (viewed 1061 times):
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| Posted: Tue Sep 1st, 2015 07:35 am |
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Russ Huber AFCA Member
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Here is the 91 Meston fan motor advertised in August. NO SPECIFIED MODEL NUMBER. Attached Image (viewed 1064 times):
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| Posted: Tue Sep 1st, 2015 07:37 am |
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Russ Huber AFCA Member
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Here are the copies of the 92 Emerson catalogue you sent me in past. Attached Image (viewed 1064 times):
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| Posted: Tue Sep 1st, 2015 07:40 am |
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Russ Huber AFCA Member
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Here is the cone base Mestons advertised in the 92 Emerson catlaogue for voltages of 104 and 52 volts now listed under model numbers 2001 and 2002. Attached Image (viewed 1061 times):
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| Posted: Tue Sep 1st, 2015 07:58 am |
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Russ Huber AFCA Member
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Here is the Meston alternating current fan motor that the Electrical Appliance Co. placed on the market in 1892. This has been validated not by one electrical trade Journal, but MULTIPLE electrical trade journals. Not one of those MULTIPLE reputable electrical trade journals advertise or mention a CONE BASE MESTON fan motors either no. 2001 OR 2002 of 104 or 52 volts in 1891 or 1892. We went through this earlier as these images were shared in past on this post. When did the 92 Emerson catalogue get issued, Bill? More than likely in Dec.-Jan. of 1892? Alex had time to make some fan motor changes for 92. Attached Image (viewed 1119 times):
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| Posted: Tue Sep 1st, 2015 08:08 am |
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David Foster AFCA Member 
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This could lend credence to the point made that perhaps, like automobiles, the fan shown in the last post, though released in May of '92, was considered a '93 model. Just a thought.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 1st, 2015 08:24 am |
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Steve Stephens Guest 
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I think many fan companies started to make their next years model for the upcoming "fan season" (May-Aug?) late in the year. Selling fans in the fall and winter and early spring must have been a hard sell so build and stock up for the hot season.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 1st, 2015 02:01 pm |
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Bill Hoehn AFCA Member
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Russ, Thanks for your explanation! We have no differences, just a misunderstanding on the old man's part. All of your cuts of the cone based Meston are from the 1892 catalog. In 1891, with only one product, why would you put a model number on it? Also being a brand new, unknown company it couldn't possibly be in the trade journals before it existed, or for a while. Remember the condition of communication, and advertising at that time. My 1891 cut is also by W-S and does not have a model number. They obviously added those when they started the second product, in 1892, and then numbered them both---2001 & 2002. Remember I told you that the 1891 cut also has PATENT APPLIED FOR, and the statement; "Built on an entirely new principle. So simple, it's price is reduced nearly one-half." Also, "For any system---Alternating, Direct Incandescent, Heisler Series System, Arc Systems." And also, all of these specs, "Fan: 11 inches in diameter; four blades, 3 3/4 inches wide; 1 1/2 inch pitch. Speed: 2,500 revolutions per minute. Current: 1.8 amperes (alternating). Voltage: 52 volts." I think they overrated it's speed! I also think this explains our previous differences. If not, less continue our fun and keep the challenges coming! :-)
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| Posted: Tue Sep 1st, 2015 02:09 pm |
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Bill Hoehn AFCA Member
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Sorry, I just found you do have the 1891 cut in post 1508 and the above is redundant. The other cuts are from 1892 and 1893.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 1st, 2015 05:23 pm |
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Russ Huber AFCA Member
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David Foster wrote: This could lend credence to the point made that perhaps, like automobiles, the fan shown in the last post, though released in May of '92, was considered a '93 model. Just a thought. Read the date below the fan, David. Once again, there is so far absolutely NO evidence to support Emerson manufacturing CONE BASE Meston fan motors in the 92 fan motor season through MULTIPLE electrical trade journals who ONLY support the 1892 MESTON TRIPOD with VARIABLE SPEED. AMEN. Attached Image (viewed 1046 times):
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| Posted: Tue Sep 1st, 2015 05:34 pm |
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Russ Huber AFCA Member
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Bill Hoehn wrote: Russ, Bill, take some time to go back on this post and refresh your memory with 1891 trade journal advertised product from Emerson even prior to the introduction of the 91 Meston cone base fan motor. One who contributed to the Emerson patented product was Ernest Bagnall. Yes, the Ernest Bagnall from Adams & Bagnall. Attached Image (viewed 1046 times):
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| Posted: Tue Sep 1st, 2015 05:36 pm |
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Russ Huber AFCA Member
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March of 1891. Patented Rail related product from Emerson 2 months before the cone base Meston was introduced to the market in May of 91. There is more Attached Image (viewed 1031 times):
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| Posted: Tue Sep 1st, 2015 05:42 pm |
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Russ Huber AFCA Member
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Bill, here it is.........the BAGNALL knife switch manufactured by EMERSON ELECTRIC MFG. CO. shown in May of 1891. Attached Image (viewed 1027 times):
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