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 Posted: Mon Aug 26th, 2013 12:19 am
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Kim Frank
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 The cages that I have on many of my later cakes have a cast brass hub holding the s-wires. I have seen this hub on '08 BMY cages too....maybe an inventory carry over to the new model fans of 1908

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 Posted: Mon Aug 26th, 2013 12:23 am
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Kim Frank
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The above hub is on the cage for the 1904 stick that I got from Luke S. The badge has a light crimp to hold the disk in place. About half of the cake models I have after 1903 sport a wrapped cage, as have about half the cakes I've restored for collectors.....

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 Posted: Mon Aug 26th, 2013 12:43 am
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Tim Marks wrote: Steve-

Will you be posting these images on to your blog?

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I hadn't plans to do so Tim but any new post would be better than the lack of new posts for a long time.  

Kim, I have seen your posts before of the stamped and cast holders for the S-wires behind the badge but have not had a reason to remove my fans' badges or backing plates so I am not seeing the whole story.

I still find it unlikely that GE would mix both wrapped and pinned cages in one year but, then, we wouldn't expect to see a brass cage on a 1923 16" AOU either.  Another 1923 with brass cage showed up on ebay a few weeks ago.  The cage was polished but the seller said when he got it it was painted the same green as the fan as is mine.  I agree with the reinforcing ring inside some 1904 badges, what about 1905?  I think at least one of my 1904 16" pancakes had that reinforcement ring.

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 Posted: Mon Aug 26th, 2013 02:08 am
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Steve Stephens wrote: Tim Marks wrote: Steve-

Will you be posting these images on to your blog?

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I hadn't plans to do so Tim but any new post would be better than the lack of new posts for a long time.  

Kim, I have seen your posts before of the stamped and cast holders for the S-wires behind the badge but have not had a reason to remove my fans' badges or backing plates so I am not seeing the whole story.

I still find it unlikely that GE would mix both wrapped and pinned cages in one year but, then, we wouldn't expect to see a brass cage on a 1923 16" AOU either.  Another 1923 with brass cage showed up on ebay a few weeks ago.  The cage was polished but the seller said when he got it it was painted the same green as the fan as is mine.  I agree with the reinforcing ring inside some 1904 badges, what about 1905?  I think at least one of my 1904 16" pancakes had that reinforcement ring.

 

 As far as the reinforcing rings, I have a few Pancakes with the rings inside and few without...both original un-restored...not yet.

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 Posted: Mon Aug 26th, 2013 02:21 am
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I have '04's and '05's with and without the reinforcing ring. Also have them with wrapped rear rings. The most confounding cage I have is on a 16 inch 1904. The badge slips over the s-wires and is held in place by a crimped disk, but the s-wires pierce the back ring.........and why wouldn't GE use both type cages. Do you think they had only one vendor?

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 Posted: Mon Aug 26th, 2013 02:47 am
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Kim Frank wrote: I have '04's and '05's with and without the reinforcing ring. Also have them with wrapped rear rings. The most confounding cage I have is on a 16 inch 1904. The badge slips over the s-wires and is held in place by a crimped disk, but the s-wires pierce the back ring.........and why wouldn't GE use both type cages. Do you think they had only one vendor?I don't know if GE had vendors for their cages or made them in-house.   Do you know if they used vendors to make their cages?  This article does not clarify:

http://tinyurl.com/lu8kpdj

As for why GE would not use both wrapped and pinned cages during the same year I would say not so as to keep the cage appearance identical among all fans in that model year.  I would have to see the cages you have had to form another opinion but, as of now, I would say "wrapped or pinned, not both".

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 Posted: Mon Aug 26th, 2013 04:36 am
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Steve Stephens wrote: so as to keep the cage appearance identical among all fans in that model year.  I would have to see the cages you have had to form another opinion but, as of now, I would say "wrapped or pinned, not both".
You mean like the model year of 1903, when GE had six different styles offered? Full rib base and four struts with ten wire cage and cast brass blade hub, full rib base and three struts with ten wire cage and cast brass blade hub, half ribbed base and three struts with ten or eight wire cage with cast or stamped brass blade hub. Sounds like GE worried about appearances being identical within a model year. I have no idea as to whether or not GE used more than one vendor or if they were made in house. I have 51 cakes in my collection and have restored at least that many for others. I have probably had my hands on at least that many more over the years. With the '04's and '05's being my particular favorites, I tend to pay a bit more attention to them. When about half of those have a wrapped cage and the other half have pinned, I don't believe those wrapped ones were donor cages from BMYs.....Here's a fact I bet you weren't aware of......the GE badge on a ten wire cage has sixteen more dimples than the eight wire counterpart......check it out.

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 Posted: Mon Aug 26th, 2013 05:25 am
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Kim Frank wrote: Here's a fact I bet you weren't aware of......the GE badge on a ten wire cage has sixteen more dimples than the eight wire counterpart......check it out.
I saw you looking hard at something for a long time at Fanfair Kim but didn't realize you were counting dimples.   That's very nice to know in case I find a loose 10 wire cage badge.  I'll count the dimples.  You would probably just count the holes for the S-wires to enter the badge but that's too simple.  Another way to check if 8 or 10 wire cage badge is to measure the depth of the badge.  Good Enough is close enough.   Yes, I know 10 wire cages have no holes in the badge.

As for wrapped and pinned for 1901-1908 I will defer to spending more time observing.  

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 Posted: Mon Aug 26th, 2013 06:08 pm
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Steve Stephens wrote: As for wrapped and pinned for 1901-1908 I will defer to spending more time observing.  
Your choice. Just don't confuse supposition for fact....

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 Posted: Thu Aug 29th, 2013 08:13 am
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I'll buy two Ted. Thanks Steve for the History and pics.

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 Posted: Thu Aug 29th, 2013 02:20 pm
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Rick Huckabee wrote: I'll buy two Ted. Thanks Steve for the History and pics.
Thank you Mike , this is what I need, nothing bonding but just potential interest.

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 Posted: Fri Aug 30th, 2013 09:50 pm
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Steve Cunningham wrote: Go for it Ted. That work is wonderful.

Steve,

You educated me enogh...I started the process investing first $450 toward the project. It will take about 4 months...

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