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 Posted: Mon May 31st, 2021 12:29 pm
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I can across this little gem.  I have never seen sprague 600 line capacitors wired into the fan.  Should I remove it or leave it on? I should have asked this question yesterday.  I am trying to figure the date of this fan.  Can anyone help me? It reads: Universal AC DC fan Motor / 110 / List No. 6100



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 Posted: Mon May 31st, 2021 12:54 pm
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Well, that's very stylish isn't it?  Clunky capacitors hanging outside the base.  (Not)
If fan is a carbon brush type motor, they may have been attached for noise suppression in AM radios.
Is it a DC motor? They may have been used as a DC power supply.

If the motor is NOT a carbon brush motor, AND it has a three wire head-wire, the caps "may" have been
used for phase shifting and starting and motor running. 

Motor tag info and capacitor marked values would probably pin down their original use...

A good chance you could eliminate them, but best to find out why they are there.
Happy Fanning!

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LOL, very stylish. The fan is actually universal for AC and DC per the metal plate. But, I do love the fan so I will work with it.  :P Thank you, so much for the share of knowledge!

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Deb Daniels wrote: LOL, very stylish. The fan is actually universal for AC and DC per the metal plate. But, I do love the fan so I will work with it.  :P Thank you, so much for the share of knowledge!
The "600 Line" as the name suggests means that those capacitors are 600 WVDC. They are what are referred to as Paper Condensers, which are essentially non-polarized capacitors, which are typically used in old Radios from the 1930s-1960s. 
The Sprague Capacitor company was still around up until the late 1980s and the "600 Line" line of capacitors were made in the 1950s, more than likely since it is a brush motor ( AC/DC Universal Motor) as was previously suggested those capacitors were probably used as a noise supression device to keep the motor from interfering with AM Radio Signals back in the 1950s (although why they didn't stick them inside the base is beyond me).

Hope this helps.

P. S. I would remove those capacitors from that fan as those capacitors by now are no good anymore as the electrolyte inside the capacitors has long since dried out and are ticking time-bombs and will more than likely end up blowing up in your face if they end up self-destructing due to shorting internally.

 

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Thank you for the knowledge!  I had left them on to keep it original but after reading your suggestion they are most definitely going to be removed.  Do you have any idea on the age of the fan?  I have it displayed on a table next to a candlestick phone in the family room and it look so good there! I am going to keep it original.    

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Deb Daniels wrote: Thank you for the knowledge!  I had left them on to keep it original but after reading your suggestion they are most definitely going to be removed.  Do you have any idea on the age of the fan?  I have it displayed on a table next to a candlestick phone in the family room and it look so good there! I am going to keep it original.    The fan is 1920s vintage about the same era as your candlestick telephone. 
The capacitors were not original to the fan but something that someone added later on (in the 1950s most likely, as radio didn't exist in wide spread degree in the 1920s when this fan was made) so it won't hurt the fan's value to remove those capacitors and it will still work fine without them.

The only kind of fan that actually uses capacitors as part of its functionality is a PSC (Permanent Split Capacitor) Motor which uses what's called a Motor Run capacitor to keep the motor running properly.

Hope this helps.

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Thank you so very much!!! I love to "treasure hunt history".  Hope your evening is wonderful!

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By the way, your fan was made by Robbins & Myers (R&M) for Western Electric. Western Electric rebadged and sold fans made by Westinghouse, R&M, GE (which were badged Graybar), Diehl, and maybe another manufacturer I'm not thinking of.


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Deb Daniels wrote: Thank you so very much!!! I love to "treasure hunt history".  Hope your evening is wonderful!

Thanks, by the way your Candlestick phone is also a Western Electric product like your fan is so it's like a match made in heaven so to speak!  :D

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Yes, it is a perfect match.  I do love that fan!  Thank you for the additional information on my fan.  I did plug it in and it worked! (After I removed the capacitors). :clap:

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Deb Daniels wrote: Yes, it is a perfect match.  I do love that fan!  Thank you for the additional information on my fan.  I did plug it in and it worked! (After I removed the capacitors). :clap:

That's great! I hope you enjoy that fan! 
Keep it oiled and it should last another 100 years. If you ever need brushes for the fan go to McMaster-Carr, they'll have the brushes your motor will need. 

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