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 Posted: Sun Dec 26th, 2021 01:45 am
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John Nyman
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  So...an early 20's 12 inch 75423 Brass bell, Brass blade, steel cage, no stars AOU, AB1...repainted black but still shows original green under the base. Assuming it's Charleston Green but not sure...and I guess the real question is where does one find Charleston Green these days? Some places claim they carry it but then the order gets cancelled as out of stock/discontinued...anyone have a good source for this color, assuming it's correct in the first place? Merry Christmas all!

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 Posted: Sun Dec 26th, 2021 03:51 am
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Dave McManaman
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I contacted Rustoleum about a month ago regarding Charleston Green, which is a fair approximation of the original. Here was there response:
Jamelia H (Rust-Oleum Product Support (US)) 
Dec 1, 2021, 12:20 PM CST 
Hello David​,

Thank you for contacting Rust-Oleum Product Support.
 
We appreciate your interest in our Stops Rust Protective Enamel #214086. Unfortunately, this product is currently on back order with no fill date. Thank you for your patience and understanding as we experience some of the most challenging days we’ve had in the history of Rust-Oleum.
 
Like many manufacturers across the nation, we’ve been faced with extraordinary demand for our products, especially during the COVID-19 pandemic. Meeting that demand has been complicated by a shortage of raw materials and supply disruptions caused by major weather events, the surge of the Delta variant and logistical bottlenecks in the shipping industry.
 
That said, Rust-Oleum was founded on the principle of finding solutions for the toughest challenges. We’ve been navigating rough seas for more than 100 years and are confident we’re on track to meet and exceed our customers’ expectations in the coming months.
 
We value your business and are working hard to provide the quality products you expect and deserve.
 
Thanks for sticking with us!
Jamelia H
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877.385.8155


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 Posted: Sun Dec 26th, 2021 04:10 am
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John Nyman
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Thanks for sharing that Dave, sums up the situation pretty well...darnit.

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 Posted: Sun Dec 26th, 2021 04:32 am
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The fan in question was probably not Charlston Green but a "GE green".   This fan from 1922 Form AB has its original paint although, in cleaning, the finish was rubbed down some.   All original except for the power cord wire and felt.   Yes, the brass bell was always painted same color as the fan's body, never polished like most restorers do.  The green shown in these photos varies due to lighting.














All of these photos are of the same fan.   The depth of color is due to different lighting conditions.   I once bought a 1920 Sprague AOU in black but, when taking it out in the sun, I saw that it was dark green, not black, and looked close to this photo below and darker than this fan's actual color.



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 Posted: Sun Dec 26th, 2021 06:17 am
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John Nyman
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Hey Steve, do you have a name to put on that shade of green? 

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John Nyman wrote: Hey Steve, do you have a name to put on that shade of green? 
No specific color other than GREEN is given in most GE catalogs.   I have seen "olive green" from the late teens but, mostly, black or green.   I think collectors have matched the GE Green m(of which there are at least two to three different shades of green) and come up with a match close to Charleston Green but GE has not used that name that I have seen.
1924 catalog page shows "green enamel"-



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 Posted: Mon Dec 27th, 2021 01:01 am
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John Nyman
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That's a nice booklet, 30 bucks this fan costs back then...thanks Steve.

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I am working on the same fan. GE AOU, AB1. 12”. I’m pretty sure this fan is black and was repainted black years ago. I have all the parts soaking in carburetor cleaner. In 5 days I will remove and wipe the surface clean with paper towel. I will take a close look tomorrow morning and let you know if I see any evidence of green paint. 
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John Nyman
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Thanks Malcolm, the only evidence of original on mine was under the base and it looks like a pretty dark green. My fear is that it's Charleston Green which seems to be unavailable anywhere...and likely wont be for quite a while. Mine is almost ready to paint also, but please do let me know what you find out color-wise. Thanks and good luck!
PS....is yours a brass blade and steel cage w/brass bell?

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I looked at the inside of my base assembly and what remains is very black, only a few spots left,  the parts are almost completely stripped in 15 hours.  Photos of my fan attached. I have a buddy who attended the Fall 2021 event in Harrison Arkansas. He picked my fan up for me then. It is in good shape, except for the head wire and power cord. It has brass blades, brass bell and steel cage. 



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 Posted: Wed Dec 29th, 2021 02:58 am
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I am baffled...my tag is broken, repainted and barely legible but cat, type and form codes are identical, yet mine has obvious green paint left inside of the base but yours is originally black...I love a mystery but I'd prefer a proper solution. I suppose the correct thing to do is for me to go with green and you to go with black? I'd like to get to the bottom of this mystery though...

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John Nyman wrote: I am baffled...my tag is broken, repainted and barely legible but cat, type and form codes are identical, yet mine has obvious green paint left inside of the base but yours is originally black...I love a mystery but I'd prefer a proper solution. I suppose the correct thing to do is for me to go with green and you to go with black? I'd like to get to the bottom of this mystery though...

Well, this is the place to ask that kind of question. May I suggest you post this topic on the new Forum website. 
This old website is shutting down soon. Best to have additional thoughts on the new website!
Best Regards,   Malcolm MacGregor 

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Malcolm MacGregor
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I was wondering if your cage brackets and screws are brass?  I’ve stripped mine and to my surprise the brackets are brass. All the motor screws are too!
Malcolm MacGregor 

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Most if not all “3 Star” GE fans were black.  I’m not sure if any brass bells were originally black, though some of the dark green colors look black unless put in the sunlight. 

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Malcolm, my screws are Brass but the brackets are steel...and I didn't know this site was closing/moving...is the new one up and running and if so how should I find it?
Lane, either you or Mr Stephens helped me with my 3 star, color-wise and also with some stator wiring issues...but with these no star fans I'm curious about their evolution. I had assumed 3 star were 1915, 2 star 1916, 1 star 1917...or something similar...but when they went with this "new" design in about 1920-ish I'm wondering if they painted some in green, some in black as they made the transition. I'm unsure of the date of my 75423....and maybe I am waaaay off base with all my assumptions...but if mine and Malcolm's are real early examples of this cat# and form then perhaps his was originally black and mine was green? The only other odd thing about mine was the headwire...it was a 4c that only used 2 conductors, not uncommon but maybe another clue as to what was going on at GE at the time. Still confused but Malcolm, I'd be curious to know how many connectors on your switch are fed by the headwire, and is it a 4c headwire? ...just curious

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Here’s the link to the new site:
https://antiquefancollectors.com/index.html

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John Nyman
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Thank you for that Dave...new digs look pretty nifty

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My original head wire had 3 conductors. Only 2 wires ohmed about 18 ohms. It is confusing, thanks GE😩Hope to see you on the new Website, it’s huge improvement 👍👍

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Just posted on the new site regarding a replacement for Charleston Green paint...I'm getting nowhere finding an analog color...hope you are having better luck with your fan then I am Malcolm... When I saw mine had a 4c headwire I was confused but the stator has only 2 connectors and the switch as well so should be an easy re-wire.

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Do a search for this ....

XOP44 12 OZ Spray Charleston Green Interior/Exterior Professional X-O Rust 

Not sure it's the same as the Rustoleum color but might be worth a try.


John

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